THE DEATH TOLL IN YESTERDAY'S ISTANBUL AIRPORT TERRORIST
ATTACK TRAGICALLY CONTINUES TO CLIMB ONE DAY AFTER --
>> -- THIS IS IN CASE YOU WERE NOT AROUND YESTERDAY FOR OUR
INITIAL COVERAGE OF THE ATTACK
--
>> A CURIOUS NOTE, ISIS, FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND PROBABLY
DUE TO POLITICAL REASONS OF SOMETIMES SPOKEN AND SOMETIMES
NOT SPOKEN ALLIANCES, THEY GENERALLY DON'T TAKE CREDIT FOR
BOMBINGS INSIDE TURKEY.
THAT IS WHY IT IS NOT UNUSUAL, BECAUSE
NORMALLY THEY WILL BRAG ABOUT THINGS THEY DIDN'T EVEN DO, LIKE
THEY HAD NO CONNECTION TO THE ORLANDO SHOOTER, BUT THEY ARE
LIKE, THAT WAS US.
BUT IN THIS CASE EVEN IF IT IS THEM, BECAUSE
IT IS INSIDE TURKEY, THEY MIGHT NOT CLAIM IT.
>>AND THAT HAS LED TO THEORIES ABOUT WHO ELSE MIGHT HAVE BEEN
RESPONSIBLE, WITH SOME PEOPLE THINKING IT COULD BE THE PKK
EVEN THOUGH THIS ISN'T THE SORT OF THING THAT USUALLY DO, BUT IT
ALMOST CERTAINLY IS ISIS, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THEY
USUALLY DO IN THIS REGION, AND THEY SEPARATELY THEY HAD GOTTEN
35 PEOPLE INTO ISTANBUL.
>>AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, PKK IS A KURDISH SEPARATIST GROUP
IN TURKEY, THEY DON'T OFTEN DO SUICIDE BOMBINGS.
>>THAT IS WHY IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BEAR THEIR FINGERPRINTS.
ANOTHER
NUMBERS UPDATE FOR YOU --
>> THAT IS OF COURSE GOOD NEWS --
>>HERE OF EASILY THERE HAS BEEN DIFFERENT REACTIONS TO THIS
ATTACK DEPENDING ON WHO YOU TALK TO, THE U.S. DID THE RESPONSIBLE
THING GROUNDING FLIGHTS COMING IN, I BELIEVE THERE HAD BEEN
ABOUT 10 IN THE AIR THAT LEFT FROM THAT AIRPORT AT THE TIME
THE ATTACK HAPPENED, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE NOBODY WAS ABLE TO
GET OFF THAT PLANE AND DO HARM IN THE UNITED STATES, DONALD
TRUMP IS A LITTLE BIT LESS RESPONSIBLE IN HIS RESPONSE, HE
IS BEEN TALKING ABOUT TORTURE.
SINCE THE ATTACK HE HAS BEEN
REVIVING HIS ARGUMENT THAT IF WE SIMPLY WATER BOARDED ENOUGH
PEOPLE, THEN X.
WITH X BEING I GUESS THAT ISIS WOULDN'T HAVE
DECIDED TO ATTACK ISTANBUL.
HE TWEETED THIS --
>>THAT
IS NOT ACTUALLY THE TWEET I WANTED, HE IS ALSO BEEN TALKING
ABOUT WATERBOARDING AS BEING A STRONG AND SMART THING TO DO.
AND WE HAVE SOME VIDEO OF HIM TALKING ABOUT ISTANBUL.
>>FOLKS, THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON THAT IS REALLY, REALLY
BAD, ALL RIGHT?
IT'S BAD.
AND WE BETTER GET SMART, AND WE BETTER
GET TOUGH, OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MUCH OF A COUNTRY LEFT,
OKAY?
IT'S BAD.
TERRIBLE.
>> THAT WAS PERFECT.
>>THAT IS ONE OF THE DUMBEST PEOPLE I'VE EVER SEEN.
SO, THERE
IS SOMETHING GOING ON.
OH, YOU FIGURED THAT OUT, SHERLOCK?
JOHN, IT TURNS OUT THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON.
I GOT BAD NEWS FOR DONALD TRUMP, THERE IS A LOT OF BAD THINGS
GOING ON AND YOU HAVE TO FIGURE ALL THEM OUT AS PRESIDENT.
>>BUT ARE THEY GOOD OR BAD?
>>HE ALWAYS SAYS WE HAVE TO BEND THE MUSLIMS UNTIL WE FIGURE IT
OUT.
YOU ARE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, FIGURE IT OUT.
WHATEVER IT IS YOU THINK IS HAPPENING AND HAS TO BE FIGURED
OUT, TICK-TOCK.
TELL US BEFORE SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT IF WE WANT
TO VOTE FOR YOU BASED ON WHAT YOUR RESPONSE WILL BE.
AND, IT'S
BAD?
CAN YOU IMAGINE A LESS DESCRIPTIVE WAY TO DESCRIBE A
PHENOMENON THAT IS WORLDWIDE AND HAS A SPECIFIC CONSEQUENCES WAS
BOB IT'S BAD.
IS REALLY, REALLY BAD.
IS THIS A MICHAEL JACKSON
SONG?
>>HE SHOULD GET ROYALTIES FOR THAT SPEECH.
>>AND HE HAS THE TEMERITY TO SAY WE'VE GOT TO GET SMART ABOUT IT.
WELL, YOU FIRST.
>>YOU COULD PLAY THAT VIDEO AFTER ANY BAD PIECE OF NEWS YOU
WANT FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
AND THIS IS A PERFECT VIEW INTO BOTH
HOW HE RESPONDS TO THE NEWS, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DO RESEARCH
ABOUT THE PKK OR THE STATE OF ISIS IN TURKEY, THE SAME WHEN
BREXIT HAPPENED.
SOMETHING IS HAPPENING, IT'S REALLY BAD, WE
HAVE TO BE SMART AND TOUGH FOR US WE WON'T HAVE A COUNTRY
ANYMORE.
AND THIS IS THE ONE SMART PIECE ABOUT HIM, IS THAT
HE KNOWS THAT THAT IS AS MUCH AS HIS FOLLOWERS HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT
THE WORLD AND WHAT IS HAPPENING ABOUT IT.
THEY FEEL SOMETHING
THAT IS HAPPENING, THEY WANT SOMEONE TOUGH, EVERYBODY
WANTS TO BE SMART, AND DO WE HAVE A COUNTRY ANYMORE?
>>THAT IS TRUE, BUT TO BE FAIR TO HIM, AS DONALD -- MY GOD, AS
JOHN IADAROLA WAS POINTING OUT, HE IS GOOD AT MARKETING, HE'S
GOOD AT BEING A POPULIST, AND YES, TO THINKING PEOPLE THAT
LOOKS SO COMICAL, SO SADLY PUERILE -- BUT THERE, I USED A
WORD I SHOULDN'T USE TO GET THROUGH TO PEOPLE.
YOU DON'T SAY
THINGS LIKE PUERILE, YOU SAY BAD, HE IS BAD AND STUPID.
WHICH
IS TRUE, HE IS.
THAT DOESN'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING -- BUT GOOD
POLITICIANS ALLOW EVERYBODY WATCHING -- OR A LOT OF PEOPLE
WATCHING -- TO THINK, OH YEAH, THAT IS WHAT I WAS THINKING.
PRESIDENT OBAMA IS A MASTER AT THIS.
YOU WILL WALK OUT OF HIS
SPEECH AND IF YOU ARE A CONSERVATIVE OR LIBERAL,
OFTENTIMES YOU WILL BE THINKING, YEAH, HE WAS RIGHT, HE JUST
SAID WHAT I SAID.
>>IF YOU CAN MAKE IT THROUGH ALL THE PAUSES.
>>BUT HE IS A MASTER AT THAT.
DONALD TRUMP TAKES IT DOWN THREE
NOTCHES AND MAKES IT SO SIMPLE THAT YOU CAN PUT ANYTHING YOU
WANT IN IT.
IT IS FILL IN THE BLANK.
BREXIT, TERRORISM,
IMMIGRATION -- IT'S REALLY BAD, WE HAVE TO GET TOUGH AND SMART
ABOUT IT, AND WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE IT OUT.
YOU CAN FILL IN
ANYTHING.
SO EVERYBODY WHO IS NOT THINKING ABOUT IT THAT MUCH
BUT WHO IS GENERALLY PISSSED LISTENS THAT SPEECH AND GOES, I
KNEW IT, THIS IS THE ONE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON
IN MY HEAD.
THERE IS SOMETHING BAD, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT
AND BE TOUGH AND SMART.
I KNEW IT.
>>IF YOU PUT FACTS INTO THE SENTENCE THAT WOULD CONFUSE
THEM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THE PROPER NOUNS THAT HAVE TO DO
WITH HIS TEMPLE.
PEOPLE HAVE SUCH LOW STANDARDS.
I WAS
THINKING, IF MY DOG STARTED TALKING TODAY, A WEEK FROM NOW
IF HE SAID WHAT WE JUST WATCHED IN THAT VIDEO, I WOULD NOT BE
IMPRESSED ANYMORE.
COME ON, IT HAS BEEN A WEEK.
WE DO HAVE
MORE, TRUMP WANTS TO GET MORE SPECIFIC, HIS SOLUTION FOR THE
CURRENT SITUATION WITH ISIS IS THE SAME WITH ANYTHING HE HAS
HAD TO TALK ABOUT IN REGARD TO TERRORISM SO FAR DURING THIS
CAMPAIGN -- IT IS WATERBOARDING AND EVEN TOUGHER MEASURES, WHICH
YOU WILL SEE.
>> I SAID I'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION, THEY SAID WHAT YOU
THINK ABOUT WATERBOARDING?
I SAID I LIKE IT A LOT, AND I
DON'T THINK IT IS TOUGH ENOUGH.
WE ARE LIVING IN MEDIEVAL TIMES,
WE HAVE TO STOP IT, WE HAVE TO BE SO STRONG, WE HAVE TO FIGHT
SO VICIOUSLY, AND VIOLENTLY, BECAUSE WE ARE DEALING WITH
VIOLENT PEOPLE, VICIOUS PEOPLE.
WE HAVE LAWS, AND THE LAWS SAY
YOU CAN'T DO THIS OR THAT, YOU CAN'T DO A LOT.
THEIR LAWS SO
YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT AND THE MORE VICIOUS YOU ARE THE
BETTER.
SO WE CAN'T DO WATERBOARDING, WHICH IS -- IT'S
NOT THE NICEST THING, BUT IT IS PEANUTS COMPARED TO MANY
ALTERNATIVES.
SO WE CAN'T DO WATERBOARDING, BUT THEY CAN DO JUMPING
HEADS OFF.
>>YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE.
WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE
-- [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
>>USA!
USA!
>>THE REALLY FRUSTRATING THING ABOUT THAT IS WE KNOW THAT ONE
OF THE THINGS THAT MOST CONSERVATIVES APPEAR TO LACK IN
COMPARISON TO LIBERALS IS A SENSE OF EMPATHY, AND THAT COMES
INTO PLAY HERE, BUT NOT FOR THE NORMAL REASON.
YOU WANT EMPATHY
SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND AND HELP A PERSON, BUT YOU CAN ALSO HAVE
EMPATHY TO SIMPLY UNDERSTAND THE PERSON.
THE LACK OF EMPATHY HERE
MEANS THAT ALL THOSE PEOPLE CLAPPING LIKE BABOONS BEHIND
DONALD TRUMP CAN'T THINK FOR THREE SECONDS, WHAT WOULD
SOMEONE THINKING ABOUT JOINING ISIS THINK?
WHY WOULD THEY DO
IT?
THEY WOULD SAY EVERYTHING DONALD TRUMP SAID, THE U.S. IS
VIOLENT AND VICIOUS, THEY CAN DROP BOMBS ON US AND ATTACK US
WITH DRONES, WE NEED TO BE TOUGH, SO TOUGH -- AND THAT IS
THE STUPIDITY.
THAT IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE DOING
THE SAME THING DONALD TRUMP IS SAYING WE WILL DO, THERE WILL
NEVER BE AN END TO THE CONFLICT.
IF YOU NEVER ACTUALLY GET SMART,
USED TO BE SAY YOU WILL BE SMART -- IF YOU DON'T TRY TO
UNDERSTAND YOUR ENEMY, HOW THE HELL CAN YOU POSSIBLY DEFEAT
THEM?
THE IDEA THAT WE JUST HAVEN'T TORTURED OR BOMBED
ENOUGH PEOPLE?
WHAT WOULD WATERBOARDING HAVE DONE WITH
ISTANBUL?
AND WE HAVE WATERBOARDING PEOPLE, WE DID IT
FOR YEARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, WHY DIDN'T THAT STOP IT?
THROUGH
YOUR LOGIC THAT IS WHAT WE NEEDED, AND YET ISIS CAME AFTER
THE WATERBOARDING.
>>AS JOHN POINTED OUT, WE HAVE DONE WATERBOARDING.
IF THAT WAS
SO SUCCESSFUL, WHY DO WE STILL HAVE ISIS OR AL QAEDA?
I THOUGHT
IF YOU JUST GOT TOUGH WITH THEM, DO THEY JUST SURRENDER
IMMEDIATELY?
AND IF WATERBOARDING IS SO EFFECTIVE,
WHY DIDN'T WORK THE FIRST 182 TIMES ON KHALED SHEIKH MOHAMMED?
AND TURKEY HAS BEEN KNOWN FOR
WATERBOARDING OR TORTURE, AND
YET THERE ARE TERRORIST BOMBINGS IN TURKEY.
THEY ARE VERY TOUGH,
IN TRUMP'S WORLD, AND TRUMP WENT FURTHER, ADMITTED THAT HE WAS IN
FAVOR OF TORTURE ON CNN, HE WAS ON THE SITUATION ROOM AND HE
SAID NOTHING IS NICE ABOUT IT BUT IT'S A MINIMAL FORM OF
TORTURE.
ABOUT WATERBOARDING.
YES, WATERBOARDING IS TORTURE,
HE SAID I LIKE IT A LOT.
THAT YOU GET TO THE HEART OF THE
ISSUE -- FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE.
AS JOHN SAID, THAT IS EXACTLY
WHAT ISIS WOULD BE SAYING.
THEY ARE DROPPING BOMBS ON US, THAT
CREATES FIRE EVERYWHERE, WE HAVE TO FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE, WE
DON'T HAVE BOMBS WE CAN DROP FROM THE SKY, SO LET'S PUT
PEOPLE IN CAGES AND LIGHT THEM ON FIRE.
AND THEN WE GO, OH MY
GOD THEY PUT PEOPLE IN CAGES, LET'S DROP BOMBS ON THEM.
>>AND THEN YOU GET THAT FOR DECADES.
>>WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT, WE'VE DROPPED OVER 10,000 BOMBS ON
ISIS AND HERE WE ARE.
IF IT WAS SUCH A GREAT IDEA, WHY HASN'T IT
WORKED?
YOU SAY, WE NEED TO DO MORE OF IT?
WE DID IN IRAQ,
GUESS WHAT WE GOT?
ISIS.
I WILL PROPOSE SOMETHING RADICAL FOR
SIMPLE MINDS LIKE TRUMP -- YOU MIGHT NOT FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE
IF YOUR OBJECTIVE IS TO PUT OUT FIRE.
SO, IT DEPENDS.
I KNOW,
PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN A BLACK AND WHITE WORLD HATE THE PHRASE IT
DEPENDS, BUT THAT IS FOR NUANCED PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE
TO GET TOUGH WITH THINGS AND SMART WITH THINGS.
EXAMPLE:
FLAMETHROWER FIGHT, YOU WANT TO FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE.
>>THAT FIGHT SOUNDS ROUGH.
>>MAKING IT MORE REALISTIC, AND WORLD WAR II THE AXIS, THE
ALLIES, THEY ARE BOMBING CITIZENS, THERE WERE HORRIFIC
THINGS ABOUT THAT, BUT THEY FOUGHT FIRE WITH FIRE.
THAT WAS
IN A TRADITIONAL WAR, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE HAVE
HERE.
IF YOUR IDEA IS TO PUT OUT THE FIRE OF FUNDAMENTALISM AND
YOU POUR FIRE ON TOP OF IT, PROBABLY NOT THE BEST IDEA.
BECAUSE LIKE IN FIREFIGHTER SCHOOL THEY DON'T GO GUYS, FIRST
IDEA, IF YOU SEE A HOUSE ON FIRE, MAKE SURE YOU FIGHT IT
WITH FIRE.
>>BURN IT UP BEFORE THE FLAMES CAN GET TO IT.
>>WE HAVE TO FIGHT THE FIRE OVER THERE, SO LET'S ADD MORE FIRE.
IT DEPENDS.
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO?
AND IN THIS CASE WE ARE
TRYING TO PUT OUT THE FIRE OF RADICAL FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAM,
AND ONE OF THE WAYS THEY KEEP THAT FIRE GOING IS THEY SAY LOOK
AT AMERICA, THEY TORTUROUS, THEY BOMB US, DIDN'T THEY JUST KILL
SOMEBODY WITH THE BOMB DROPPED WHEREVER?
THAT DOES MEAN YOU
GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANT, BUT IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN A BLACK
AND WHITE WORLD YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE INTELLIGENT TO SOLVE
THESE THINGS.
SOME THINGS ARE NONNEGOTIABLE, I DON'T WANT TO
HELP THE PROPAGANDA AND I DON'T WANT THEM DOING THAT TO OUR
TROOPS OR CITIZENS.
ON THE OTHER HAND YOU DON'T THROW UP YOUR
HANDS AND SAY I'M NOT GOING TO FIGHT, YOU FIGHT THEM IN A WAY
THAT EVENTUALLY PUTS OUT THAT FIRE, DOESN'T ALLOW IT TO
BREATHE, TAKES THE OXYGEN OUT OF THE ROOM.
THAT IS HOW YOU PUT OUT A FIRE.