AND WHAT A WEEK IT’S BEEN. NOW IT’S TIME TO FALL BACK.
I AM JOINED BY ALEAH SHAWKAT,
KNOWN IN THE POPULAR NETFLIX
SITCOM "ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT".
>> YOU’RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A
COUPLE HOURS OFF.
I’M NOT NERVOUS ABOUT MY THIRD
VIRGIN MARY.
VIRGIN MARY. >> THERE’S NO ALCOHOL IN A
VIRGIN MARY.
VIRGIN MARY. >> THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE.
>> SHE’S STARRING IN THE MOVIE
"BLAZE".
"BLAZE". >> ARE YOU GOING TO BE A BIG
COUNTRY STAR, LIKE ROGER MILLER?
>> I DON’T WANT TO BE A STAR.
I WANTS TO BE A LEGEND.
>> AND ALSO WITH US, LIZ PLANK.
NICE TO SEE YOU GUYS.
>> NICE TO SEE YOU, ARI.
>> WHO NEEDS TO FALL BACK?
>> WHO NEEDS TO FALL BACK?
I THINK THAT THE ATTENTION
AROUND THESE NEW AVATAR KIND OF
COMPUTER-GENERATED MODELS ON
INSTAGRAM I’VE BEEN NOTICING
LATELY.
LATELY. THERE’S SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT.
IT’S AN ART PROJECT THAT THEY’VE
DESIGNED THESE COMPUTER
GENERATED MODELS AND MILLIONS OF
YOUNGER PEOPLE FOLLOW THEM AND
IT’S MESSING WITH SOME FORM OF
REALITY.
REALITY. >> YOU THINK IT’S MESSING WITH
OUR MINDS?
OUR MINDS? >> YEAH, LOTS OF THINGS ARE
THESE DAYS.
THESE DAYS. BUT THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT IT
THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE IT TOO MUCH
AND THEN ARE DEFENDING IT MORE
THAN, YOU KNOW, HAVING REAL
CONVERSATIONS.
CONVERSATIONS. >> THIS IS A FALLBACK, BUT THIS
IS ALSO, I THINK, NEWS BECAUSE
SOME OF OUR VIEWERS ARE GOING TO
SAY, WAIT, IF YOU’RE A PARENT AT
HOME, YOUR KIDS ARE USING THESE
SOCIAL MEDIA SITES LIKE
INSTAGRAM AND THEY’RE FOLLOWING
ACCOUNTS THEY THINK ARE PEOPLE
THAT ARE ACTUALLY JUST LIKE
BOTS.
BOTS. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. AND THEN THEY THINK THE BOTS
HAVE -- YOU KNOW, I DON’T KNOW
IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT
SOMETHING AND BELIEVING IT TO BE
A REAL PERSON.
BUT THEY DEFEND THIS PERSON AND
WOULD DO, YOU KNOW, WOULD FOLLOW
WHATEVER THIS PERSON’S INSTINCTS
ARE, WHAT THEY WOULD TELL THEM
TO BUY OR DO.
SO THEY BECOME LIKE -- PEOPLE
ARE LOOKING UP TO THESE ROBOTS.
IT’S SCARY.
IT’S SCARY. >> YOU KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO FALL
BACK, TOXIC MASCULINITY.
THERE’S A NEW AD I KEEP SEEING
IN NEW YORK CITY, IT FEATURES
MICHAEL PHELPS.
MICHAEL PHELPS. >> THERAPY HELPED CHANGE HIS
LIFE.
LIFE. >> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY. WE DON’T TALK ABOUT THE GENDER
THERAPY, WHICH IS REAL, WOMEN
ARE MORE LIKELY TO SEEK THERAPY
THAN MEN AND WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT
THE FACT THAT WOMEN HAVE MORE
MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, BUT WOMEN
TALK ABOUT THEIR MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES MORE THAN MEN, BUT MEN
EXPERIENCE A WIDE RANGE OF
MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS.
AND FOR SOMEONE LIKE MICHAEL
PHELPS, YOU KNOW, AN
ACCOMPLISHED ATHLETE, WHAT IS
HE, 6’10", SUPER TALL, VERY
QUOTE/UNQUOTE MASCULINE, WITH
THOSE STANDARDS, FOR HIM TO OPEN
UP AND SAY THAT THERAPY CHANGED
HIS LIFE AND IT REALLY HELPED
HIM I THINK IS A REALLY GREAT
MESSAGE FOR MEN TO HEAR.
>> I HAVE A FALLBACK AS WELL,
AND I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT, AND
IT’S SENATOR SUSAN COLLINS.
WHO RUNS AS A PRO-CHOICE
CANDIDATE WHO TOLD VOTERS THAT’S
WHAT SHE IS.
YOU SEE AS THIS ABORTION FIGHT
PLAYS OUT IN DONALD TRUMP’S
NOMINEE TO BE ON THE SUPREME
COURT SHE SUDDENLY CHANGES HER
TUNE AND SAYS, OH, WELL, MAYBE
BASICALLY I’M OKAY WITH THIS.
AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU RUN AS
BEING PRO-LIFE, AND YOU SUPPORT
THAT, THEN YOU’RE BEING HONEST
WITH VOTERS.
WITH VOTERS. BUT IF YOU RUN AS BEING
WHOA-CHOICE, AND WE’RE LEARNING
JUST THIS WEEK, LATE IN THE
WEEK, THAT JUDGE KAVANAUGH WAS
PRIVATELY TELLING THE BUSH
ADMINISTRATION WELL, ROE V. WADE
IS NOT THAT SETTLED AND COULD BE
OVERTURNED, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE
SHE NEEDS TO FALL BACK FROM
CLAIMING SHE’S REALLY PRO-CHOICE
IF SHE’S GOING TO CAST HER VOTE
AND MAKE HER CAREER ABOUT THIS
KIND OF CHOICE, LIZ.
>> MY FAVORITE THING WAS CAMILLA
HARRIS ASKING DURING THE
HEARINGS CAN YOU THINK OF A
SINGLE LAW THAT REGULATES THE
MALE BODY?
MALE BODY? AND, YOU KNOW, JUDGE KAVANAUGH
NOT BEING ABLE TO NAME A SINGLE
LAW.
LAW. WHY DO WE HAVE LAWS THAT
REGULATE OR, YOU KNOW, SORT OF
CONTROL WOMEN’S BODIES WHEN WE
DON’T -- WOULD NEVER DO THE SAME
THING FOR MEN.
>> BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CONTROL
WOMEN.
WOMEN. AND ALSO THE FACT THAT IT’S
STILL A CONVERSATION, IT’S SO
UPSETTING, ESPECIALLY IN OUR
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. BUT, I MEAN, THE FACT THAT ALSO
A WOMAN HERSELF CAN BE CHANGING
HER TUNE ON SOMETHING THAT’S SO
STRONG AS IF IT’S JUST, YEAH,
SOME KIND OF LAW THAT INVOLVES
LIKE TAXES OR SOMETHING.
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT OUR ACTUAL
BODIES HERE.
BODIES HERE. >> AND YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
SOMETHING THAT IS, FOR MANY
PEOPLE, A VERY SIGNIFICANT
CHOICE THAT, AGAIN, THE SUPREME
COURT HAS SAID IS THERE A
CHOICE?
CHOICE? IF YOU’RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT,