The Cure From Suffering
15 June 2020 (with subtitles)
[Questioner] Which is taking things personal ...
[Mooji] Taking things personally.
[Q.] And being hurt and brooding over it. I want to just ...
[M.] It's about time, for everybody right now.
It's about time for everybody.
Because it's something that you just cause suffering to yourself,
for no reason at all! We have to come out of that.
It is not an easy one for the world to come out of,
because while we are still attached
to our sense of person and conditioning and so on,
it almost seems like it is all-pervading.
Like every corner is touched by some person, or something.
But you come out of it. You can come out of it, you know.
[Q.] I can feel it, and it is such an old habit.
It's like the argument wants to go back,
and I just feel like, 'No. No more. No more.'
[Mooji] Yes. You can't just stop the fight.
You have to stop the fighter.
You have to look at what it is, to really zoom in on him,
tighten the aperture and go down on him,
and look and say, 'Who is it that is feeling so defensive?'
And the fact is that, as you allow this question some space,
rather than let the mind himself answer it,
let the question stay in silence, but alive in silence.
And look like, 'What is it that ... ?'
And you start to get some little movements inside,
like something feels very vulnerable.
'I feel like it is being attacked.'
You can search for it, 'What particularly is it?'
Really don't let it off and don't change your question.
Stay with him. You say, 'What is it?'
You are trying to see, because actually there is nothing there!
What actually comes is like a habit,
something slips in, this little thing, through the letter box.
And you see that it is a thought,
that has been believed in for some time.
Then you can find out, 'But OK'.
Because you heard me say that,
a thought without belief has no power at all.
But a thought with belief can start a war!
So, who is the believer in it?
And the believer, who is the believer?
And you even come to see that the believer is a thought,
but it is a thought with identity in it.
Like there is an 'I' behind this 'I-belief'.
This 'I-belief' is also observable. Do you follow?
I'm recording this, so you will listen to it again.
The 'I-belief' is taken to be an entity.
[Q.] Yes, because it also has a connection to emotion ...
[M.] Yes, the 'I', and past, and memory, and all of this, it builds up,
'Yes, yes, but from my experience and what I ...'
Because that is where he is. He gets very subtle.
From the past, 'This happened to me when I was a child,
and I decided there and then I am never going to have this again ...'
This 'I', this is where he is living, in the memory, this 'I'.
And so you have to stay with it! Stay with it.
You will find that sometimes, it may even come that,
there is some resistance coming up, like some irritation, 'No!'
You really just want to log in to it and take sides with it.
But you stay just in this observing space,
which is not a room full of people.
It is just intelligence looking.
But if it can be seen, it is passing!
It is like a cloud.
It is a cloud. Some pass quickly, some pass slowly, but all are passing.
And what knows that? What witnesses that?
You check in again, without trying to create an image.
You say, 'Actually, it is automatically seen'.
It is just automatically known here.
The sense of 'I' feels right, now. It is not personal!
It is just like an intelligent ability that is perceiving.
And the mind might come up with some other kind of ghost.
Because of habit, something really wants to go back to that.
And you see that, even that reflex to go there
is also happening in something that didn't move at all.
You just stay with it, and actually, at a certain point,
you may find that you're not able to focus on anything
and there is a tendency to feel, 'This is too hard'.
That is also seen. You stay with it.
And what happens is that, this kind of introspection is self-developing,
meaning that it gets good by itself.
There is not a 'you' making it good.
Just by your attempt to keep looking,
as you keep looking and you stay with it,
it starts to develop into itself.
You start to feel, 'Wow'.
You even feel some space comes and there is a natural sort of joy.
But don't go personal with that even.
Just use it as an encouragement.
Just keep looking.
Don't grab the joy. Joy is there by itself.
Just keep looking.
But again, something wants to feel like, 'The joy is my reward'.
Or, 'The joy is the sign that I have done it!'
And you have to watch those things. Bypass them.
Bypass them because you just get caught up in the traffic with them.
Just stay empty.
You feel that you are looking from an emptiness, more and more.
And it is so encouraging, so naturally self-attracting,
you almost can't wait for the next trouble to come.
'Let's check him out. Wait a second.
If my viewing place is the same,
the troubles all have the same destiny.'
They are nothing. They were just not looked into before,
and so they developed a false reputation about how great they are.
And you just stay with it.
Little by little bit, you stay with it. Stay with it.
Sometimes some people may say, 'It is so tiring to do that'.
I say, In the beginning. The tiring is also part of the mind's resistance.
Just stay with it. And at some point, it can't hold itself together,
and it just [sharp exhale] collapses into this spaciousness.
[M.] It is so worth it. [Q.] My thing is not that it's so tiring.
The habit is to blame so that the energy is out there.
I spoke to Lakshmi about it yesterday.
I have a really good court room case like, 'The problem is over there'.
[M.] It's a typical move of the ego. [Q.] And there's such a resistance
[Q.] to just cut that and to look.
[M.] It will always find some target, which is the reason why.
Do you understand? It loves evidence!
The ego call up a whole heap of evidence.
It has it right down to minutes and seconds.
So you just watch that tendency.
'Whoa! That has just come in so tight.'
But when you see that,
that examination is not an admission of the universal consciousness
for whom things like 'tight' and 'better' don't mean anything at all.
You are going to make the whole vocabulary of your mind ...
You just see that it is something perceivable.
And usually, when things are felt deeply, emotionally,
we give them a greater value because they feel more energetic.
They feel like they are evidence of truth.
That is what I was saying in satsang yesterday,
that sometimes we give these things
the credence and credibility of truth
because they feel so strong!
But they are strong because they have not been questioned.
We accept them. The reflex is where you place your identity.
It is always in this place and it is not stable.
But the mind and memory give it it a sense of continuity and depth.
But it is not. It is very strobic, the way the mind is.
It keeps flashing up like this. It can't be continuous.
The only thing that is continuous,
even the word is not right to say that the Self is 'continuous'.
Because when something is infinite, it can't be continuous.
It is just everywhere present.
Not going to ... Continue to go where?
He is just perfect, perfect.
But it starts like little small steps,
and you end up making huge leaps.
But it is just to break that status quo in the mind
because it is easy to play this thing over and over again,
to see if it is still ...
[Q.] I feel now, like a few days ago,
I sat with this thing the whole day.
I had the day off. And there was such a spaciousness,
and now I feel, almost like an excitement about, 'I got him'.
It is like, 'I got you. You're not gonna ...' But I guess, I slipped again.
[Mooji] You get him, and while you get him ...
[Q.] Get the 'getter'. [Mooji] Get the 'getter' too.
[Mooji] And then get out of the ghetto. [laughter]
[Friend] The mind getter. [Q.] Thank you.
[Mooji] This is a ... Some of these quintessential pointings,
if you follow them, it is like they are enough!
They are so wide in their impact. It is amazing!
You can spend lifetimes trying to study techniques,
which the ego is going to carry out, but he won't really.
But if you catch him, you understand. You see what the ego is like.
When I say something like,
the cause of suffering is ego,
the cause of suffering is ego, six words,
and that the cure for suffering
is the exposing that you are not the ego,
if you really did that,
that is a world solution because it covers every ground,
everywhere the ego touches!
If you can understand what the ego is.
But by the time we are so deeply entrenched
in our relationship with this false identity,
we feel threatened to challenge him
and that is how it lives.
We are so used to identifying our self in that mode,
that when we come to really look at it, something feels threatened.
It is 'it' that feels threatened.
Because of your links with it for a long time,
you feel like you take on all the symptoms.
Like, 'Oh God! I feel so tired. I feel it is so difficult!'
This is all your mind.
You don't know the difference between your mind and 'you'.
You are not the thing. You are not the mind.
You are before the mind. You are before the feelings.
You are there before everything!
And when all of them came, they never changed 'you'.
Just when we manifest as selves,
then quickly that gets confiscated,
that becomes ego and then trouble starts.
Only there can trouble start.
When you stop him, trouble stops.
But that simple question to be fulfilled
is a monumental leap
because you can only transcend something
if you are desperately in need to.
If you're just casually curious about it, there's no chance.
This is something you really have to fight for, but not a bloody fight.
The ego will fight a bloody fight
because you see how much its virus
is inside the functioning of the being.
You don't see even the being is not you, it can't exist without you,
but it cannot be quintessentially what you are,
because it can be viewed, it can be perceived.
We grow to appreciate the profundity of that recognition,
that some things can be perceived.
Does it share the reality of the perceiver?
Only if the perceiver is interested in it, particularly,
then he shares reality with it.
But if he can look without logging in
and without wishing to be combined with it, then he stays pure.
The whole world is suffering from becoming personal.
Personal.
It takes a little while to get out of it, but it can be done.
And, after all, it is not true.
So if it is not true,
and the truth is that you are what you are seeking,
it makes you want to celebrate too early,
but at least you know, 'Wait a second. I don't have to go and fix myself,
and undo all the wrong things I have done.'
I said, Well, no, you couldn't anyway. Do you know what I am saying?
So now, when you wake up,
you don't have to wake up from this part of the dream and that part.
You wake up from the whole dream!
You say, 'I woke up from this bad part of the dream,
but I like this good part'. You wake up from all of the dream!
But it starts with you,
by you coming here yourself, of your own volition,
you come and present this, then it is already a step into your freedom.
It didn't have to be pulled out of you,
like removing some molar.
You came voluntarily and said, 'I want to be free of this tendency'.
And in one way I could put it and say, well it's not something.
If you understand, the freedom starts there,
but now it has got to soak right through.
Like if you throw a stone in the river,
it will take a while before it drops to the bottom,
but it can't not drop to the bottom.
So you throw the stone in the river
and it has to soak in, it has to go down to the bottom.
The understanding has to go right down into the bottom.
It is good.
I always admire and feel happy when people come and they say,
'I've got this problem. I think I'm giving too much attention to this.'
I say, Really? Come, sit down and let us talk and look at that,
because I know how nice it is to be free of that!
How nice it is to be free of that duppy.
[Q.] I read in one of the books from you,
somebody asked you, 'Why is it still hurting me?'
You said, 'Because there is still a 'me'.
And my whole attention is to identify what that is in me,
this 'me' that is a dream. It is a habit.
[Mooji] Yes. [Q.] And I really don't ...
[M.] Wow! That is a super card. [Q.] I don't want to engage anymore.
[Mooji] That is the super card. That is the passport inside.
This 'me' factor is twinned with 'I'.
It's ...
Because we feel, 'To be not me, means I cannot perceive as I do.
And taking it that all our way of perceiving appears to be personal,
how can I change that?'
I say again, You are putting it on the 'I' again to do that.
But if you can see that the 'I' itself is observable,
then you must go to that place where 'I' is observable.
That is not observing the one who observes the 'I'.
I can feel this sense,
if I pay attention, not to the object of perception,
but to what causes even perceiving to happen,
you say, 'That is what is taking place now.
I didn't create that. It is just happening like this.'
But if it is acknowledged, already you are out of it, of everything.
[Mooji] You are out. [Q.] Thank you.
[M.] And you realise, that which says you are 'out',
that has never been 'in', really.
It is just some dream thing happening inside our mind.
But to be free of the 'I',
that is the greatest attainment, I think, in the human kingdom.
To be free of the belief, 'I am this body. I am this person.'
That is a biggy! That is a big one.
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