>>> AS COVID INSFECTIONS
CONTINUE TO DROP IN AMERICA,
WORKERS ARE GOING BACK TO THE
OFFICE AT THE HIGHEST RATE SINCE
LAST MARCH.
THE NUMBER OF WORKERS TURNING TO
OFFICE SPACE EDGING HIGHER THAN
THE WEEK OF LABOR DAY.
AN AVERAGE OF 30% OF THE WORK
FORCE IS BACK.
REPORTERS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES SPENT TIME WITH ONE BIG LAW
SPENT TIME WITH ONE BIG LAW
FIRM, THE MIDDLE OF THE DELTA
SURGE AND DISDOVECOVERED FOR YOU
WORKERS, FACE TIME IS ESSENTIAL.
>> I READ THIS ON THE SUNDAY
EASE BUSINESS TIME AND WENT DUH.
THE LAWS OF PHYSICS CHANGED
FOREVER AND THE LAWS OF
HEALTHCARE OF THE PANDEMIC
CHAENGED BEFORE BECAUSE OF THE
PANDEMIC
PANDEMIC.
>> WHETHER YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
BLACK SMITHS AND THE MIDDLE AGES
ARE MERGERS AND ACQUISITION
LAWYERS IN 2021.
>> ITâ€™S A PRETTY GOOD THING.
YOUNGER WORKERS LEARNING MORE
EXPERIENCE VETERANS LIKE
YOURSELF, THAT IF YOU WANT TO
GET AHEAD IN WORK AND BECOME
BETTER AT WHAT YOU DO, YOU CANâ€™T
DO THAT IN YOUR APARTMENT AT
HOME FOREVER.
>> YOU CANâ€™T BUT I THINK WE NEED
TO DEFINE WHAT BEING BACK IS
ACTUALLY GOING TO LOOK LIKE
BECAUSE I AM NOT SHURP FSTURE IT
TO LOOK LIKE HOW IT USED TO OR
THE NORMS ARE GOING TO BE
EVERYBODY COMING IN, FIVE OR SIX
DAYS A WEEK, TOGETHER, PERIOD.
I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE
MORE FLEXIBILITY.
>> RIGHT NOW CERTAINLY. >> I THINK YOUNGER WORKERS ARE
>> I THINK YOUNGER WORKERS ARE
DEMANNING MORE COMPLEXITIABLETY
AND THEYâ€™REFLEXIBILITY AND
THEY ARE GETTING IT.
WE COULD BE THREE OUR FOUR DAYS
A WEEK.
WEâ€™LL SEE A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN
THAT, BECOMINGEING NORMAL AND WE
THINK OF THAT AS PERHAPS NORMAL
IN THE FUTURE.
MAYBE NOT EVERYDAY.
>> NOW, KATTY, I AM CURIOUS WHAT
YOUR THOUGHTS ARE.
I CAN TELL YOU IF MY CHILDREN I
ASKED ADVICE ON HEY, SHOULD I
WORK FROM HOME.
>>, HE SAID GET IN THE OFFICE,
BE WITH THE TEAM AND LEARN FROM
PEOPLE THAT ARE RIGHT AND BE
AROUND PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE
THIS JOB BEFORE.
GET THAT FACE TIME. I AM UNDERSTOODING EVERYTHING I
I AM UNDERSTOODING EVERYTHING I
AM HEARING ON THE AND IF THATâ€™S
THE FUTURE, THATâ€™S THE FUTURE.
>> I STILL THINK THE PEOPLE IN
THE OFFICE WILL ALWAYS GOING TO
HAVE AN ADVANTAGE.
>> MUCH IS GOING THROUGH VIDEO
PRODUCTION.
HE WAS MEANT TO BE IN A STUDIO,
THAT DID NOT HAPPEN YES.
>> HIS MOM WORRIED FOR HIM TO
SIT A HOME.
THEYâ€™RE NOT MEETING THEIR FELLOW
COLLEAGUES, LET ALONE LEARNING
FROM THE TOP.
>> THERE ARE NO INTERACTIONS SO
THAT SORT OF LONELY.
THEYâ€™RE ALSO SAYING WE DONâ€™T
WANT TO GO IN.
TAST
ITâ€™S A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH.
I THINK THAT MODEL OF GOING IN
FIVE DAYS A WEEK, THATâ€™S NEVER
COMING BACK.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE QUITTING JOBS IN
PEOPLE ARE QUITTING JOBS IN
AUGUST TO SAY THAT WE DONâ€™T WANT
TO DO THAT ANYMORE.
TECHNOLOGY HAVE SHOWN THAT WE
DONâ€™T HAVE TO DO THAT ANYMORE.
FIRMS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK
IT OUT THREE WEEKS MODEL,
INSTEAD OF FIVE DAYS.
>> IT SOUNDS SO FRENCH.
I DONâ€™T KNOW IF THATâ€™S EVER
GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY
AGAIN.
>> I THINK YOU WILL.
>> MAYBE THATâ€™S GOING TO WORK.
I WILL SAY WILLIE, ONE OF MY
CONCERNS I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR
OUR OWN TEAM HERE.
ONE OF MY CONCERNS HAVE BEEN
ISOLATION.
IF YOU READ THE ARTICLE, HE DOES
NOT TALK ABOUT PROFESSIONAL
ADVANCE, HEâ€™S TALKING ABOUT
YOUNGER WORKERS EXCITED TO GET
BACK AND NOT ISOLATED.
ONCE THE DELTA HATEITS, WE ARE
FORTUNATE PEOPLE IN OUR BUSINESS
CAN DO OUR WORK FROM HOME AND WE
FOUND OUT QUICKLY PRODUCERS AND
EDITORS WERE ABLE TO DO GREAT
WORK FROM HOME.
THERE IS ALSO THE ISOLATION OF
JUS BEING AT HOME WORKING AT
HOME ALL DAY, THERE IS ALSO THAT
ASPECT OF IT TOO THAT I THOUGHT
WAS SO FASCINATING IN THIS PIECE
WHERE YOUNGER WORKERS WERE LIKE
YES, I WANT TO BE HERE AROUND
PEOPLE.
I AM TIRED OF BEING AT HOME BY
MYSELF.
>> I LIKE WE ARE QUIETLY
ADVOCATING FOR A RETURN OF A
MARTINI LUNCH.
WE CAN GET ALL BEHIND THAT.
>> ITâ€™S ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL LIFE
AS WELL.
>> AS WE READ TO GET AHEAD OF WORK.
LAWYERS FIND IT -- FOR THE
FIRMâ€™S MIDDLE RANKS, THE
BRASS-TACTICS CAL DISCUSS FOR
BILLABLE HOURS, TYPICALLY 1,800
TO 2,000 PER YEAR.
THOSE WHO WANTED TO BE PROMOTED
FOCUSED ON ACCUMULATING THESE
HOURS.
THE CATCH IS FEW FIRST YEARS
ENTER A FIRM WHILE WE ARE
AWAITING AT THE
MERCY OF THE SENIOR ASSOCIATES
AND PARTNERS WHO DISPENSE IT.
HOW EXACTLY DOES ONE LAND
ASSIGNMENTS FROM THESE
COLLEAGUES?
TURNS OUT THEREâ€™S NO MORE
RELIABLE WAY THEN, WELL, SHOWING
UP.
MIKE BARNICLE, THEREâ€™S A LOT OF
THINGS THAT WILL CHANGE THE WAY
WE WORK.
I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY
YESTERDAY WHO SAID, YEAH, I
DONâ€™T REALLY NEED TO FLY TO
CHICAGO FOR THAT 30-MINUTE
MEETING ANYMORE BUT BEING IN THE
OFFICE, AS A YOUNG PERSON AND
BEING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
MENTORS, PEOPLE WHO ARE BOSSES,
IMPRESSING THEM IN SOME WAY, I
THINK THATâ€™S THE WAY ALL OF US
REMEMBER RISING UP THE RANKS,
AND ESPECIALLY NOW THAT A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE NOT COMING INTO WORK,
YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AS A
YOUNG PERSON TO COME IN AND FILL
THAT VACUUM AND VOID AND BE AT
THE SIDE OF YOUR BOSS AND PROVE
YOURSELF, SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF
UPSIDE TO ME.
>> YOU KNOW, WILLY, I THINK
NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT IN
THIS DAY AND AGE THAN
SOCIALIZATION.
WHEN YOU REALIZE WE LIVE IN A
NATION AND CULTURE WHERE
SOCIALIZATION OFTEN MEANS YOUR
CLOSEST FRIEND, YOUR MOST
INTER-MITT
INTIMATE ADVISER, WHATEVER, IS
THE SCREEN OF YOUR PHONE, ITâ€™S
IMPORTANT TO SHOW UP TO WORK TO
SEE OTHER HUMAN BEINGS.
THEREâ€™S NO SUBSTITUTE FOR THAT.
WHETHER ITâ€™S THREE DAYS, FOUR
DAYS, FIVE HOURS A DAY FOR THREE
DAYS, DOESNâ€™T MATTER.
THEREâ€™S NO SUBSTITUTE FOR HUMAN
CONTACT.
YOU LOSE SOMETHING IN TERMS OF
WHO YOU ARE, IN TERMS OF WHAT
YOU DO WHEN YOUâ€™RE ISOLATED IN
YOUR HOME.
ITâ€™S JUST A BELIEF THAT I HAVE
LONG HELD, EVEN THOUGH I DONâ€™T
LIKE TO WORK MORE THAN THREE
DAYS A WEEK.
>> EXACTLY.
>> SO, MIKA, ANN DOES HAVE HIM
ON AN ALLOWANCE THAT INCLUDES
FOUR REALLY GOOD BOSTON RED SOX
TICKETS.
WE HEARD IN THE STORY ABOUT THE
LAWYERS, AND IF YOUâ€™RE AROUND
AND I KNOW THIS IS A LAWYER,
SOMETIMES YOUâ€™D GET A GOOD CASE
BUT PEOPLE, A SENIOR PARTNER
RUNNING DOWN AND LOOKING, HEY
YOU, THE GUY WITH THE BIG NOSE,
WHATâ€™S YOUR NAME, JOE, HERE,
TAKE THIS, FINISH THIS FOR ME,
Iâ€™M GOING TO THE COURTHOUSE, Iâ€™M
GOING TO COME BACK AND HAVE IT
DONE BY THEN, YOU DO A GOOD JOB,
YOU GET MORE CASES.
YOUR STORY THAT WE TOLD ON 9/11
TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU GOT DOWN TO
9/11 AND HOW YOU GOT DOWN TO
9/11 TO REPORT THERE FOR A
COUPLE OF WEEKS IS YOU SHOWED UP
EARLY, YOU WENT THERE EARLY
BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO SEE IF
THERE WAS ANYTHING AT THE
ASSIGNMENT DESK, AND ITâ€™S THE
SAME THING, WE TALKED ABOUT IT
WITH THE LAW.
ALSO THE SAME THING WITH MEDIA.
IF YOUâ€™RE AROUND THE NEWSROOM,
IF YOUâ€™RE THERE WAITING WHEN
NEWS BREAKS, THEY MAY SEE YOU,
EVEN IF YOUâ€™RE NEW LIKE YOU WERE
AND GO, HEY, WE GOT A STORY.
GET OUT THERE.
IF YOUâ€™RE AROUND THAT, IT
HAPPENS.
AGAIN, I WANT TO PREMISE THIS BY
SAYING WE UNDERSTAND WEâ€™RE STILL
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DELTA
VARIANT, SO WEâ€™RE NOT SAYING WE
NEED TO GET INTO WORK.
WE TOLD OUR PEOPLE STAY AWAY
UNTIL YOUâ€™RE COMFORTABLE COMING
IN.
BUT WHEN WE HAVE SOME SORT OF
RETURN TO NORMALCY, IF YOU WANT
THE CASE, IF YOU WANT THE STORY
ASSIGNMENT, BEING IN YOUR
APARTMENT MAY NOT BE THE BEST
WAY TO GET THAT.
>> YES, BUT I THINK THERE ARE A
COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DYNAMICS
GOING ON HERE.
THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE LOOKING
FOR GROWTH AND THERE MAY BE IN
SOME INDUSTRIES ONE WAY TO GET
IT TO BE THERE.
BUT IN OTHERS IT MAY NOT BE THAT
IMPORTANT.
I THINK WE WILL SEE A SHIFT IN
OUR SOCIETY BECAUSE OF
TECHNOLOGY THAT ALLOWS COMPANIES
TO GIVE THE OPTION TO HAVE THAT
FLEXIBILITY AND FOR WOMEN, THAT
FLEXIBILITY IS INCREDIBLY
IMPORTANT.
WHILE WOMEN WENT THROUGH A VERY
DIFFICULT TIME DURING THE
PANDEMIC, ESPECIALLY, AND THEY
REALLY BORE THE BRUNT OF A LOT
OF THIS, Iâ€™VE DONE TWO "KNOW
YOUR VALUE" EVENTS IN THE PAST
SEVERAL WEEKS WITH UP TO 500
WOMEN IN THE ROOM.
NUMBER ONE, IT FELT TOO EARLY TO
BE DOING EVENTS.
WEâ€™RE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THEM
BUT IT FELT TOO EARLY.
THIS PANDEMIC IS STILL HERE.
SO GETTING COMPANIES BACK IN
RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO BE TOUGH.
BEYOND THAT, I SPOKE TO THE
WOMEN AND I ASKED THEM, HOW MANY
OF YOU LIKE REMOTE?
I WAS ALL PREPARED FOR THE
ANSWER NO, AND ALL OF THEM
RAISED THEIR HAND PRACTICALLY.
THEY LOVE REMOTE.
I ASKED WHY?
AND WOMEN GOT UP TO THE
MICROPHONE AND SAID, I CAN GET
SO MUCH MORE DONE.
YOU CUT THE COMMUTE OUT AND Iâ€™M
ABLE TO DO THIS AND THAT WHILE
Iâ€™M DOING THIS AND THAT AND WORK
EXTRA, WHICH WOMEN LIKE TO DO.
THEY ALWAYS WORK EXTRA FOR THE
SAME AMOUNT OF TIME MEN PUT INTO
THE OFFICE.
BUT MY POINT BEING, Iâ€™M NOT SURE
THATâ€™S THE GREATEST ANSWER AND I
SAID THAT IN REALTIME.
Iâ€™M NOT SURE I WANT YOU DOING
ALL OF THE HOUSEWORK AND MORE
WORK AT WORK, THATâ€™S NOT THE
GREATEST ANSWER I EVER HEARD BUT
THAT FLEXIBILITY IS SO IMPORTANT
TO WOMEN.
AND ITâ€™S SOMETHING THAT THIS
PANDEMIC HAS SHOWN IS POSSIBLE,
THAT YOU CAN BE IN TWO PLACES AT