"THE REIDOUT" WITH JOY REID IS
UP NEXT.
>>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
WE BEGIN "THE REIDOUT" WITH THE
FALLOUT OVER RUSSIAN ATROCITIES
IN UKRAINE.
THE WHITE HOUSE UNVEILED A ROUND
OF PUNITIVE MEASURES AIMED
SQUARELY AT PUTIN'S REGIMES WITH
FULL SANCTIONS ON TWO RUSSIAN
BANKS BLOCKING ACCESS TO THE
U.S. FINANCIAL SYSTEM.
PRESIDENT BIDEN IS PROHIBITING
ALL AMERICANS FROM MAKING ANY
NEW INVEST 789MENTS IN THE RUSSI
FEDERATION AND TARGETING PUTIN'S
DAUGHTERS AS WELL AS THE
FAMILIES OF TOP KREMLIN
OFFICIALS FREEZING ASSETS IN THE
U.S.
ADMINISTRATION IS ALSO
AUTHORIZED ANOTHER $100 MILLION
WORTH OF LETHAL MILITARY AID TO
UKRAINE THAT WILL ARRIVE IN A
MATTER OF DAYS.
THIS COMES AS THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT CRACKS DOWN ON
RUSSIAN CYBERCRIME ANNOUNCING
YESTERDAY THAT THEY'VE SHUT DOWN
THE LARGEST CRIMINAL MARKETPLACE
IN THE WORLD, WHICH WAS BASED IN
RUSSIA.
THEY'VE ALSO DISRUPTED A MAJOR
MALWARE ATTACK PLANNED BY
RUSSIAN MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
AND THEY'RE WORKING WITH
INTERNATIONAL PARTNERS TO
INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN WAR CRIMES.
MEANWHILE, HAVING FAILED TO MEET
THEIR OBJECTIVES IN THE NORTH,
RUSSIAN FORCES ARE PULLING BACK
TO REGROUP FOR A NEW OFFENSIVE
IN EASTERN UKRAINE.
BUT AS THEY COMPLETE THEIR
RETREAT FROM THE SUBURBS OF
KYIV, THEY'RE REVEALING SCENES
OF HORROR IN THEIR WAKE AND
LET'S BE CLEAR, PUTIN'S
SENSELESS SLAUGHTER IS OF NO
STRATEGIC BENEFIT TO RUSSIA.
IT SERVES IN MILITARY PURPOSE.
IT ONLY PROVERS THE DEPTHS OF
PUTIN'S DEPRAVITY.
TODAY, PRESIDENT BIDEN SPOKE
ABOUT THE ATROCITIES IN BUCHA
WHERE RUSSIAN FORCES
DELIBERATELY MASSACRED THE
CIVILIAN POPULATION.
>> I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE
PICTURES FROM BUCHA AND OUTSIDE
KYIV, BODIES LEFT IN STREETS AS
RUSSIAN TROOPS WITH DREW.
SOME SHOT IN THE BACK WITH THEIR
HANDS TIED BEHIND THEIR BACKS.
CIVILIANS EXECUTED IN COLD
BLOOD, BODIES DUMP INTO MASS
GRAVES A SENSE OF BRUTALITY AND
HUMANITY LEFT FOR ALL THE WORLD
TO SEE UNAPOLOGETICALLY.
THERE IS NOTHING LESS HAPPENING
THAN MAJOR WAR CRIMES,
RESPONSIBLE NATIONS HAVE TO COME
TOGETHER TO HOLD THESE
PERPETRATORS ACCOUNTABLE.
>> WE'RE ALSO GETTING NEW IMAGES
FROM ANOTHER WAR TORN CITY.
15 MILES FROM BUCHA WHERE
RUSSIAN FORCES TARGETED
BUILDINGS CIVILIANS USED AS
SHELTERS.
HERE IS NBC'S RICHARD ENGEL.
>> Reporter: URN FORTNFORTUNATEL
THESE RESCUE WORKERSSURVIVORS.
THERE WERE SHELTERS UNDERNEATH
THE BUILDINGS, THAT BUILDING,
THAT BUILDING HERE AND LOCAL
OFFICIALS DON'T KNOW HOW MANY
PEOPLE WERE IN THE SHELTERS BUT
THEY SAY HUNDREDS AT LEAST, MOST
OF THEM WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND
WHEN THESE BUILDINGS CAME DOWN,
ALL THE DEBRIS BLOCKED ACCESS TO
THE SHELTERS ENTOMBING THEM
EFFECTIVELY.
>> THE KREMLIN IS JUSTIFYING THE
HORRORS IN THE NAME OF THE
SO-CALLED DENAZIFYING UKRAINE
AND YET, IT IS CLEAR THAT NO
REGIME OF THIS CENTURY BETTER
RESEMBLES THE THIRD REICH THAN
PUTIN'S RUSSIA.
TO THAT POINT, WE'VE SEEN THE
KREMLIN EMBRACE RHETORIC
INCLUDING A RECENT OP ED THAT
BRAZENLY CALLS FOR THE
LIQUIDATION OF UKRAINE'S
LEADERSHIP AND A SIGNIFICANT
PART OF THEIR POPULATION.
THAT ARTICLE WAS SO INMUCH
PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY SAID IT
SHOULD BE USED AS EVIDENCE IN A
FUTURE WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL.
IT UNDER SCORES THEIR DEPRAVE
AND HISTORIC INDIFFERENCE.
WE SEEN THAT IN THE EIGHT-YEAR
WAR IN DONBAS AND PRORUSSIAN
MILITANTS DOWNED MALAYSIA FLIGHT
MH 17 OVER UKRAINE'S BORDER WITH
RUSSIA IN 2014 KILLING EVERYONE
ON BOARD.
THERE IS AN EVEN LONGER AND
DARKER HISTORY BEHIND THIS
BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING, WHAT WE'RE
SEEING TODAY IS REMINISCEING OF
THE 1933 GENOCIDE IN UKRAINE.
THAT'S WHEN JOSEPH STALLEN
PURPOSEFUL STARVED TO DEATH 4
MILLION UKRAINIANS UNDER HIS
POLICY OF FORCED
COLLECTIVIZATION.
JUNE EVER JOIN
JOINING ME IS JULIA DAVIS AND
FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE
INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT,
PROFESSOR OF LAW AT STANFORD
UNIVERSITY AND AUTHOR OF
INTERNATIONAL LAW AND SEXUAL
VIOLENCE IN ARMED CONFLICTS.
DOCTOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING
HERE.
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
I WANT TO ALLOW YOU FOR A MOMENT
TO LISTEN TO ANTONY BLINKEN
COMMENTING ON THE ATROCITIES BUT
DOCUMENTING OF THEM BECAUSE
THEY'RE A JOURNALIST THERE.
>> THIS IS IN SOMEWAYS THE MOST
DOCUMENTED WAR IN REALTIME THAT
WE'VE EXPERIENCED BECAUSE OF
TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE OF SMART
PHONES, BECAUSE OF THE
INCREDIBLE COURAGE OF REPORTERS
WHO REMAINED IN UKRAINE BUT EVEN
SO, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT
SEEING IN REALTIME INCLUDING
BUCHA AND ONLY WHEN THAT TIDE
RESEEDS YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
I THINK WE'LL LEARN A LOT MORE
IN THE DAYS AND WEEKS AHEAD, I'M
AFRAID WHAT WE'RE GOING TO LEARN
IS MORE HORRIFYING.
>> PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY CALLED
FOR A TRIAL OVER THE ATROCITIES
THAT WE'VE SEEN.
CAN THAT HAPPEN AND IN YOUR
VIEW, WILL THAT HAPPEN?
>> YES, THAT CAN HAPPEN IF THERE
IS A RESOLVE ON THE PART OF THE
INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY TO SEE
IT HAPPEN.
IT ABOUT THE POLITICAL WILL TO
DO IT AND TWO WAYS TO HAPPEN AS
WE SPEAK.
THERE ARE FOUR CRIMES KNOWN IN
INTERNATIONAL LAW.
THE CRIME OF GENOCIDE.
THEY HAVE CRIMES AGAINST
HUMANITY.
YOU HAVE WAR CRIMES AND THEN YOU
HAVE THE CRIME OF AGGRESSION,
THE FIRST THREE EXCEPT THE CRIME
OF AGGRESSION CAN ALREADY BE
ENGAGED BECAUSE OF WHAT'S
HAPPENING ON THE UKRAINIAN
TERRITORY OF THE INTERNATIONAL
CRIMINAL COURT WOULD HAVE
JURISDICTION TO TRY THOSE THREE
CRIMES.
GENOCIDE, WAR CRIMES, CRIMES
AGAINST HUMANITY WHERE THERE IS
EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT.
WHERE THE I.C.C. CANNOT TRY
BECAUSE OF THE VETO POWER THAT
RUSSIA HAS AT A UNITED NATIONS
SECURITY COUNSEL IS THE CRIME OF
AGGRESSION BECAUSE THE BIG
POWERS MAKE SURE THAT THE
INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT
WOULD NOT HAVE INDEPENDENT
JURISDICTION OF OTHER CRIME OF
AGGRESSION UNLESS THE U.N.
SECURITY COUNSEL REFERS SUCH A
CASE TO THE I.C.C. WHERE THE
CULPRIT SO TO SPEAK IS NOT A
MEMBER STATE OF THE STATUTE AND
RUSSIA IS NOT THAT SO YOU WILL
NOT HAVE THE SECURITY COUNSEL
REFERRING THE CRIME OF
AGGRESSION TO THE I.C.C. BECAUSE
RUSSIA IS NOT A STATE PARTY BUT
THE OTHER THREE WAR CRIMES,
CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AND
GENOCIDE IF APPROVED FOR FACT,
THE I.C.C. CAN HAVE THE
JURISDICTION OVER THAT SO IT IS
POSSIBLE TO HAVE TRIALS FOR
THOSE THREE ALREADY.
NOW, ABOUT THE REGRESSION
REQUIRES SETTING UP OF A SPECIAL
TRIBUNAL, WHICH I UNDERSTAND
LEADERS, GLOBAL LEADERS ARE
MAKING THE MOVE FOR.
SO THAT'S IN A NUTSHELL THE RUN
OF THINGS RELATING TO YOUR
QUESTION WHETHER IT CAN HAPPEN,
YES, IT CAN HAPPEN.
>> ONE JUST FOLLOWUP QUESTION.
WOULD EVIDENCE THAT RUSSIA HAS
OR ITS LEADERSHIP HAS EXPRESSED
THE DESIRE TO END THE EXISTENCE
OF UKRAINE HAS DEPORTED HUNDREDS
OF THOUSANDS.
THEY CLAIM 600,000 UKRAINIANS
HAVE BEEN BROUGHT INSIDE RUSSIA
I ASSUME THEY CANNOT LEAVE
INCLUDING LOTS OF CHILDREN.
THEY CLAIM UKRAINE DOESN'T
EXIST.
THE BROADCAST CORPORATION RAN A
TRANSLATION OF THIS OP ED THAT
RAN IN RUSSIA THAT JUSTIFIED
ERASING THE UKRAINIAN IDENTITY.
IT CLAIMS THAT THE WORD UKRAINE
ITSELF IS SYNONYMOUS WITH NAZI
AND CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO EXIST.
THE FORMER AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE
SAID IT'S THE RHETORICAL LICENSE
TO KILL.
THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY ERASING THE
IDENTITY OF UKRAINIAN PEOPLE.
IS THAT EVIDENCE IN YOUR VIEW OF
GENOCIDE?
>> DEFINITELY SERIOUS EVIDENCE
OF INTENT TO COMMIT GENOCIDE
DEPENDING ON WHO SAID IT.
IF IT'S THE GENOCIDE, IT'S MORE
A CRIME OF INTENT REALLY.
LET SAY IT FOCUSES A LOT ON
INTENT TO DESTROY AND NATIONAL
GROUP, RACIAL GROUP, RELIGIOUS
GROUP OR ETHNIC GROUP THE
STRUCTURE OF THAT GROUP IN ALL
OR IN PART MAKES THE CRIME OF
GENOCIDE SO WAS THAT INTENT IS
THERE, YOU DO NOT NEED TO KILL A
WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE FOR YOU TO
HAVE A CRIME OF GENOCIDE.
EVIDENCE LIKE THAT IF IT HAS
SHOWN ANYBODY WHO HAS KILLED
ANYONE HAD THAT INTENT, YOU HAD
YOURSELF A SERIOUS CASE OF
GENOCIDE TO BE TRIED.
>> YEAH, INDEED.
SO JULIA, TALK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AND
HEARING ON RUSSIAN STATE TV
BECAUSE ONE MUST PRESUME THAT
WHAT YOU'RE HEARING OF RUSSIAN
STATE TV IS WHAT THE KREMLIN
ONCE SAID, THEREFORE THEY AGREE
WITH IT.
KWOUF
YOU'VE BEEN TWEETING ABOUT
HORRIFIC THINGS THEY'RE SAYING.
TELL ME ABOUT THOSE.
>> THERE HAS BEEN A CONTINUOUS
DRUM BEAT THAT SOUNDS DEFINITELY
LIKE A GENOCIDAL LANGUAGE.
THEY REPEATEDLY SAY INCLUDING
RUSSIAN LAWMAKERS IN POSITION TO
MAKE DECISIONS TO SPEAK TO THE
MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY, THEY'RE
CONSTANTLY SAYING THAT UKRAINE
DOES NOT NEED TO EXIST.
EVEN A SMART PART OF IT CAN'T BE
ALLOWED TO REMAIN.
THEY SAME THE SAME ABOUT
IDENTITY AND LANGUAGE AND THE
ARTICLE THAT YOU REFERENCED
SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT EVEN
THOUGH YOU CRANEUKRAINE DOES NOT
NAZI GOVERNMENT AND LAWS, THAT
HE DECIDED DD TO BE CREATIVE AND
SAY ANYONE THAT WANTS TO BE
INDEPENDENT OF RUSSIA IS A NAZI, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY EXPLAIN
THAT WOULD CERTAINLY EXPLAIN
THEIR BEHAVIOR IN BU KRCHA WHERE
THEY KILLED RANDOM CITIZENS AND
AT THAT TIME WHAT I'M HEARING OF
THEIR STATE MEDIA AND ALSO WHAT
IS EXTREMELY DISTURBING, THEY
ARE ALREADY PREDICTING THE
PROVOCATIONS WILL BE REPEATED SO
THAT MEANS THERE ARE MORE
ATROCITIES THAT ARE YET TO BE
UNCOVERED AND THEY ALREADY KNOW