How are you sir?
>> I'm great,
happy to be back in the United States have been in California for the last.
>> [LAUGH] The people's Republic of California.
Yeah, exactly, so.
>> Yeah, it's an interesting turn of events,
California has become a strange new place.
>> Yes, it has. >> Almost unrecognizable.
[LAUGH] >> Yes,
will it be recognizable to George Orwell.
>> Well, yeah, right, even he probably been like, wow. >> All right, so Rogan and
his guest compared what's transpiring
in California as Orwellian.
And I was curious to see what the reasoning was behind this,
what kind of regulations are going too far and you guessed it?
There was quite a time spent on COVID related matters, let's watch.
>> He said when thought control comes, it will come not from the right, but
from the left.
>> You're saying like from the left,
you're getting a lot of what seems like very cult like behavior and
this very cult like this ignoring of basic truth to fit a narrative.
And I think that in the absence of religion,
it's almost like we're hardwired for some sort of
guidelines that we all collectively agree to follow.
And even though we don't say it's a religion,
we behave exactly if it's a religion.
Like if you question it at all.
>> No question about it.
>> Yeah, that's what's going on right now, right?
>> Sure there's no question about it.
So what the left is,
is I hope nobody's listening when I say this because it's kind of, it's extreme.
>> No one's gonna listen. >> It's a death cult.
It's a cult about death.
>> Cool, okay, a few things I want to just quickly address, John number one.
I thought it was interesting that Rogan said it's like a cult where they
want to ignore the truth to fit a narrative.
Kind of like ignoring scientific data, showing the in efficacy or
lack of efficacy for drugs like I've ever met in and
treating covid to fit your anti vax narrative.
Okay, all right,
the only other thing I want to address is the notion that it's a death cult.
Look, I do agree in one small way, which is, I do think it's a problem and
it's certainly not just a left wing problem.
It's a political bubble problem where if you might have ideas or
thoughts that are a little different people start freaking out because you're
kind of like deviating from what the, like conventional wisdom is.
But you see that in all sorts of political context.
I mean, I remember when Obama was first elected and he started like proving
himself to be anything but a progressive and Genk was pretty critical about that.
He's like, listen, you campaigned on one thing and now look at you and you know,
democratic allies of ours, like were furious with him, were so angry because
they didn't want to accept that Obama was like capitulating to right wing lawmakers.
So like it happens in all sorts of places, but
they're not of course they're not being very generous to Californians and they're
making it seem like this is something that's only unique to California.
It's not, but like to say that COVID related matters and
that's what they were mostly talking about coronavirus type guidelines.
To say that believing in those guidelines and carrying them out is like being
part of a death cult is fascinating since the people who tend to die from
COVID believe the garbage that's usually spewed on his podcast.
>> Exactly, look, you could take any one of the sentences there and and
talk for an hour about it.
>> First of all, the idea that if you're identifying a political cult in politics,
where should you start?
Well, obviously left, Yeah, not the cultish devotion to Donald Trump.
There's no figure on the left.
There's no figure among the democrats where like you, your career is done.
If you mildly criticize the leader, he's retracting endorsements for
people who don't even like specifically criticized Donald Trump but just imply,
hey, can we focus on the elections are coming up?
That's it. You're done.
You can't be a politician anymore.
That's obviously cult behavior, let alone cult like Cunanan.
Like they're calling us a death cult, they're probably still down in Dallas
expecting that any number of dead celebrities and
politicians are going to rise from the grave and join their political movement.
So the dead people that are already dead, they're worshiping and
of course you're right to point out the fact that they have dispensed with all
respect for the truth or science or anything like that when it comes to COVID.
And what they have produced is massive amounts of totally needless death.
But the thing that bothered me the most is probably the first thing that he said when
he was like, yeah, California, not even recognizable anymore.
The guy brought up Orwell and Rogan who's totally, totally read Orwell.
He was like, yeah, he would, he would even, he would be like, wow,
why I'm in California.
What, what's going on?
That's so, wow.
Where's the where's the victory gin?
Where's the two minute hate?
They still wear masks sometimes.
That's the extent of it, truly, Orwell right there.
But the thing is that he's supposed to be just this reasonable regular guy.
Is he being reasonable?
I'm asking that seriously?
Is Joe Rogan being reasonable in the way that he's talking about any of
those topics.
Is he using common sense.
Is he being a regular guy?
No, he's mimicking right wing ideologues.
All that's all that it is.
That's what his stick has become.
>> One of the other things that Rogan tends to complain about.
I think it might have been one of the top reasons why he left California
is the homeless crisis.
And the criticism that he has is that people are allowed to camp
wherever they want, which, that's a little,
it seems to run a little counter to like an Orwellian society where like that
they're not forcefully cleaning out these camps and disappearing people.
Yeah, that's a good point.
So I mean, I just look, I don't know what's going on.
I mean like there's a little more from the conversation that we'll share with you,
but in regard to the death cult comment, I want to give you even more context
because it wasn't just about covid related regulations.
The guest also wanted to weigh in on how the left.
It's just, they're just engaging in too much fear mongering about climate change.
And I thought, I look, I thought that Rogan to climate change.
Seriously, Let's watch the next video.
Let's see how more of this conversation went down.
>> I spent a couple of years of COVID thinking I just don't get it.
I'm a child of the mid-century, my dad's and my uncle's,
everybody I knew went through the war, my grandfather fought in World War One.
I've made a living when I should have been in jail, right?
Or homeless because I don't have any talents except writing.
And because I could do that,
I made a living have a wonderful family because of America, right?
That, that and I'm a Jew and I'm not getting killed because I live in
America and I saw the country transform when I was a kid.
I used to go down something, they were chain gangs and there were lynchings and
there were separate that's pretty gosh darn close and
those people who were being treated that way.
Their great grandparents had been slaves.
And now we see that racism is in effect gone.
There's certain prejudices of whites against blacks will duh there's certain
prejudices of blacks against whites, but it's gone.
We see that gays who were committed suicide or
lived their life and terror or blacklisted or a non normalized.
These are wonderful things.
This is a magnificent country that we live in and
to see it go to in front of my eyes with half half the country.
He said, you know what?
No, I'm not ready to die yet.
I'm not gonna submit to the death cult.
I don't, that was what what I don't even,
I don't even know how to respond to like, what was that, okay?
First of all, like we literally have states like
Florida passing legislation that like prevents addressing,
I like the LGBTQ community by teachers.
And the claim is like, no, it's only for young students but but
like if a teacher slips and mentions her partner or his partner being
of the same gender, they could be punished based on that law, right?
In Florida because it's literally referred to as the don't say gay bill, but
you know, being gay is normalized.
So why are we trying to protect people's rights here.
Everybody and we've combated all racism according to this guy.
And anyone who wants to address discrimination or
racism is part of a death cult.
I don't get the connection there,
but okay, >> Which side experienced more death
from COVID obviously, but we're going to move past it.
And I think, well, we might disagree with him on a lot of things.
I think we can all agree that the ultimate arbiter of whether racism exists
is an old white man.
But anyway, what's up iwhe n the mid century?
He grew up in the mid-century and he's a writer, He's an artist, and he was able to
make it in this country by being a writer- >> No, it's good.
But john like, let's just keep it real.
You ain't gonna make it as just being a writer or
the chances of you striking No, but that's not, that's not a slight on you.
My point is like, there's this like, okay, that David Mamet, he wrote Glen,
Gary Glen well, I don't really care.
I don't care what he's done.
My point is he's making stupid points and it shows the disconnect between his
generation And what younger generations are facing.
It's this assumption that the same opportunities that were available to
him are still around when in reality, back duringow,
the time he was coming up, you buy a house for like $50, okay?
You don't have to go into debt for student loans.
You can get an education to start a career or get an education just because
you want to be enlightened and you're a curious person, we can't do that.
Younger generations can't do that.
They don't have the same opportunities,
but it doesn't matter like he's sitting there and talking about what's what and
let me tell you something, this is what's the south.
This is what America is all about, but refuses to listen to or
give any crap about what the reality is and how much society has changed
to the detriment of the very people that he's trashing right now.
>> Yeah, Sorry, I'm a little bit distracted.
I'm trying to figure out if you were able to pinpoint that I couldn't make it as
a writer just as a general thing.
Or if you read the short story I released yesterday and
it's directly based on reading my stuff anyway, I'm kidding.
You know what I mean?
You know what I'm not, I'm not saying you're not a talented writer.
My point is opportunities to make a living strictly off being a writer.
Those opportunities are not around like the way that they used to be.
You get what I'm saying.
Like there used to be a more robust social safety net in this country.
So if you wanted to pursue that and in the short term weren't succeeding,
but you're building toward it.
You would at least have some support, you get what I'm saying,
but now I just can't stand people who like they judge everything
based on their lived experience.
Yeah, yeah, it's it's look no, no offense to him, but he has a case of probably
cope in the past, but now old man itis and it's coming for all of us.
I'm gonna get it one day potentially, but you have to be on guard for
it is the idea that the past was much harder, but we did better with it.
And the present is really easy and you guys have ruined it and
the reason it's a combination of being out of touch,
both as you pointed out with the struggles of the present and
a lack of curiosity and actually talking to someone who's experiencing it.
He's sitting and talking on podcast with people like Joe Rogan who have literally
hundreds of millions of dollars,
Joe Rogan has no idea what it's like for a regular person to struggle.
And the people chatting to have less of an idea.
He also doesn't understand the privileges that they had in the past,
you've identified some of them.
And so it's being disconnected and manifest in a lot of different ways.
The way that you saw with Mamet right there.
Watch real time, like you can see that when people don't make a like
a a conscious effort to try to understand by exposing themselves to individuals and
younger generations to consuming what they put out, you will inevitably
drift off into irrelevance, and that's what you're seeing right here.