,
, HE
, HE WAS
, HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE ADAM WAFFEN DIVISION AND THE THINGS HE DID
FOR THAT VIOLENT NEO-NAZI GROUP
ARE GOING TO COST >> HIM HIS
FREEDOM.
JOHNNY ROMAN GARZA WAS
SENTENCED TO PRISON >> IN
SEATTLE FEDERAL COURT FOR AN
ADDED WATHEN PLOT TO THREATEN
JOURNALISTS WHO HAVE REPORTED
ON THEM AND THREATEN PEOPLE
OF COLOR.
>> BUT BEFORE GARZA HEADS TO
PRISON HE AGREED TO BE
INTERVIEWED BY ONE OF HIS
VICTIMS KING 5 INVESTIGATOR
CHRIS INGLES.
>> WHAT DID YOU DO EXACTLY THAT
IS GOING TO GET YOU SENT TO
FEDERAL PRISON?
I >> WAS GIVEN THE TASK TO
SIMPLY FIND SOMEONE WHO FIT THE
CATEGORY OF BEING NONWHITE AND
A JOURNALIST SIMPLY TO MAKE A
HEADLINE.
YOU WERE TO GO OUT THAT NIGHT
AND PUT THOSE POSTERS AND TAKE
PICTURES OF IT AS PROOF THAT
YOU DID IT.
THAT WAS MY MINDSET AT THE TIME
AS IT'S MEANT TO TERRORIZE YOU
PUT POSTERS ON THE HOME OF A
JEWISH NEWSPAPER EDITOR AND A
AFRICAN-AMERICAN JOURNALIST.
>> DO YOU REALLY WANT TO JUST
SEE RADICAL CHANGE BECAUSE YOU
SEE SOMETHING YOU SEE SOMETHING
WRONG, YOU SEE SOME NEWS
STORIES OR SOMETHING AND YOU
SAY I REALLY WISH I COULD DO
SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
I THOUGHT I COULD JUST SIMPLY
DO SOMETHING OF LIKE A MINOR
PETTY CRIME THRILL AND GET AWAY
WITH IT AND JUST KIND OF SEE
WHERE IT GOES >>.
ADAM WAFFEN THE GERMAN TERM FOR
NUCLEAR WEAPON IS THE NAME OF A
SMALL BUT VIOLENT >> EXTREMIST
GROUP THAT IS ARMED AND
TRAINING FOR WHAT THEY SAY IS A
COMING RACE WAR.
JOHNNY RAMON GARZA JOINED AS A
TEENAGER TO ESCAPE WHAT COURT
RECORDS SAY WAS A CHAOTIC >>
AND LONELY HOME LIFE IN ARIZONA
>>.
I WAS COMPLETELY CUT OFF.
MY HEART WAS DARK AND I REALLY
JUST WASN'T EVEN THINKING THAT
FAR AHEAD.
I WAS KIND OF CONCERNED ME,
MYSELF AND MY MENTAL ILLNESS
COMPOUNDED WITH MY DRUG USE AT
THE TIME DIDN'T HELP ANY
OF THAT.
GARZA >>, WHO LIVES NEAR PHENIX
,SAYS HE NEVER TOOK PART IN
ANY OF ADAM ASOTIN SO-CALLED
HATE CAMP TRAINING SESSIONS
NEVER EVEN OWN A GUN.
BUT HE DID PLEAD GUILTY TO
CONSPIRING WITH THREE OTHER
ADAM WAFFEN MEMBERS TO DELIVER
THOSE THREATENING POSTERS TO
JOURNALISTS AND PERSONS
OF COLOR.
>> ADAM WATKINS CERTAINLY WANTS
TO ACT MORE THAN THEY ARE.
IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS.
IT'S ALMOST LAUGHABLE WHAT THEY
WERE TRYING TO DO.
I WANT >> TO TAKE ANY NOTION
THAT IT'S LAUGHABLE OUT OF IT
BECAUSE MY FAMILY, MY THREE
KIDS, MY WIFE WE ALL HAD TO
LEAVE OUR >> HOUSE AND GO INTO
HIDING BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU AND
YOUR >> GROUP DID.
I STARTED REPORTING IN 2019
ABOUT ADAM OFFINGS HEAVILY
ARMED 25 YEAR OLD LEADER CALEB
COLE OF SNOHOMISH COUNTY >> AND
THAT PUT ME ON THEIR TARGET >>
LIST.
I HAVE JUST NOTICED SOMETHING
IN MY MAILBOX THAT DOESN'T LOOK
QUITE RIGHT.
I DIDN'T >> OPEN A LETTER.
I BROUGHT IT TO THE FBI OFFICE
>> AND AGENTS OPENED IT AND
THEY SHOWED IT TO ME.
I DID TAKE THAT LETTER >> AS A
THREAT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S COVERED IN
SWASTIKAS SO THERE'S >> NOTHING
LAUGHABLE ABOUT THAT CERTAINLY
.
NO.
. NO.
. NO. I
. NO. I JUST WANT TO APOLOGIZE FROM
WITH A WITH A WITH >> THE
BOTTOM OF MY HEART FOR HEART
COMPLETELY.
IT'S SOMETHING I SHOULD HAVE
NEVER TAKEN PART IN.
>> YOU SAY THAT AND YET YOU ARE
A MEMBER OF A GROUP THAT SOUGHT
TO DESTROY CERTAIN RACES >> AND
RELIGIONS.
I >> JUST DON'T THINK I WAS
LOOKING THAT FAR AHEAD WHEN YOU
SAW A BLACK PERSON WHEN YOU SAW
A JEWISH PERSON, WHAT DID YOU
FEEL TOWARD THEM?
YOU'RE >> LOOKING AT SOMEONE AS
THE GROUP THEY BELONG TO YOU.
YOU'RE ALMOST LOOKING AT THEM
LIKE A NO.
YOU'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING AT
THEM LIKE A PERSON >>.
ADAM OFTEN >> MEMBERS HAVE BEEN
CHARGED OR CONVICTED WITH FIVE
MURDERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S AS SERIOUS AS
IT GETS.
>> WE WERE JUST PUTTING ON
POSTERS THIS TIME.
BOO HOO.
WHO COULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT THEY
WOULD HAVE ASKED ME TO DO
AFTERWARD IF I WAS STILL
CONTENT WITH THAT?
GARZA >> SAID HE NEVER KNEW THE
TRUE IDENTITY OF CALEB COLE OR
CAMERON SHAY OF REDMAN WHO THE
FBI SAYS WERE THE LEADERS >>
OF THE CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY.
I >> DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT
THEM.
I MEAN I KNEW THEM BY SCREEN
NAMES.
GARZA >> SAYS HIS ARREST IN
FEBRUARY FINALLY STARTED HIM ON
A ROAD
RECOVERY
RECOVERY AND UNDERSTANDING. I >> DIDN'T REALIZE HOW DARK IT
WAS THAT I WAS WILLING TO DO
THINGS I OTHERWISE THOUGHT THAT
I WOULDN'T >>.
I CAN IMAGINE >> THERE'S
AFRICAN-AMERICANS OR JEWISH
PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT
GOING TO ACCEPT AN APOLOGY FROM
YOU.
WHAT >> WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM?
>> I SEE NOW HOW WRONG THAT I
WAS AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO
REALLY EXPLAIN YOURSELF AFTER
THE FACT.
BUT I GUESS I JUST WANT PEOPLE
TO KNOW THAT THERE'S LIKE I WAS
BROUGHT UP TO THE JUDGE ON THE
DAY THAT I WAS SENTENCED
THERE'S THERE'S A GENUINE
CHANGE THERE BUT I'M SERVING MY
JUST SENTENCE SO THAT'S ALL I
CAN SAY.
AND WE'RE LIVE NOW ACROSS THE
STREET FROM THE FEDERAL
COURTHOUSE IN SEATTLE WHERE
GARZA RECEIVED THAT 16 MONTH
SENTENCE.
HE REPORTS TO PRISON IN ARIZONA
TO BEGIN SERVING THAT SENTENCE
NEXT WEEK AND A MONTHS.
I'VE BEEN COVERING ADAM WOLF
AND I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED WHO
ARE THE PEOPLE THAT JOIN THIS?
AND WHAT I LEARNED FROM THIS
INTERVIEW WITH GARZA IS THAT
THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE
DAMAGED.
THEY ARE DESPONDENT AS HE SAYS
AND SOME OF THEM ARE DANGEROUS
AND ALL OF THEM ARE YOUNG.
EVEN THE LEADERS ARE ONLY IN
THEIR MID 20S AT MOST.
WHY DID GARZA DO THIS INTERVIEW
WITH ME?
HE SAYS HE DID TO ATONE FOR HIS
CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR, SOMETHING
THAT HE KNOWS IS GOING TO TAKE
A LOT OF WORK AND A LONG TIME.
I'M CHRIS INGLES REPORTING LIVE
IN SEATTLE.
SO CHRIS >>, HE TALKED ABOUT
HIS MENTAL ILLNESS.
CLEARLY HE'S AMONG THOSE WHO
WOULD HAVE BEEN VULNERABLE TO
THIS.
WHAT ABOUT THE TWO MEN FROM
WASHINGTON WHO WERE CHARGED
WITH GARZA?
YES.
SO THAT'S CALEB COLE
OF ARLINGTON >> AND CAMERON
SHAY OF REDMOND.
BOTH OF THEM HAVE PLED NOT
GUILTY TO THE CHARGES AND ARE
AWAITING TRIAL HERE.
THE FBI SAYS THE BOTH OF THOSE
TWO ARE THE MORE