I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND TILL THEN, SIR.
>> I HOPE SO.
>> WELCOME TO THIS FRIDAY
EDITION OF THE BEAT".
LET ME START REAL SIMPLE.
FOR MANY AMERICANS, THIS WAS
MUELLER WEEK.
MUELLER WEEK. THE SPECIAL COUNSEL SPEAKING FOR
THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME IN HIS
ROLE, BUT TRUMP ATTORNEY GENERAL
BILL BARR IS CLEARLY PUSHING
AHEAD TO MAKE IT SORT OF BARR
WEEK.
WEEK. HE’S GOT THIS NEW INTERVIEW AND
THIS IS KIND OF INTERESTING, IT
MAY HELP DEMOCRATS BECAUSE IT
DOESN’T EXACTLY REBUT CRITICS
WHO SAY MR. BARR ACTS MORE LIKE
DONALD TRUMP’S PERSONAL CRIMINAL
DEFENSE ATTORNEY THAN THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL CONFIDENT
UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES. AND BARR ALSO KNOW WHAT’S HE’S
DOING.
DOING. HE’S GOT NEWS.
CITY DISHES DID LITTLE TIDBITS
OF NEWS RECOUNTING EVEN WHEN HE
FIRST GOT THE LETTER OF REBUKE
FROM 3450U8ER FOR NOT CAPTURING
THE SCOPE OF THE REPORT.
BARR USES DRAMATIC LANGUAGE
TODAY TO DISMISS CONCERNS ABOUT
HIS OWN REPUTATION AND GOES
AHEAD AND BASICALLY DEFIES
MUELLER.
MUELLER. >> THE SPECIAL COUNSEL IS A
LITTLE SHARPER ON OBSTRUCTION.
>> TRYING TO STATE THE BOTTOM
LINE.
LINE. THE BOTTOM LINE WAS THAT IS BOB
MUELLER IDENTIFIED SOME
EPISODES.
EPISODES. HE DID NOT REACH A CONCLUSION.
HE WASN’T EXONERATING THE
PRESIDENT BUT HE WASN’T FINDING
A CRIME EITHER.
ROD ROSENSTEIN AND I FELT IT WAS
NECESSARY FOR US AS THE HEADS OF
THE DEPARTMENT TO REACH THAT
DECISION.
DECISION. MANY OF THE INSTANCES WOULD NOT
AMOUNT TO OBSTRUCTION.
>>.
>>. OF THE INSTANCES WOULD NOT
AMOUNT TO OBSTRUCTION.
NOW IN FAIRNESS, THE MUELLER
REPORT ITSELF DOES NOT STATE IN
ITS TREATMENT OF THE EVIDENCE
THAT EVERY INSTANCE DISCUSSED
WAS AMOUNTING TO OBSTRUCTION.
SOPHIE WANT TO BE CLEAR THERE.
BARR IS DOING A LOT OF THINGS
THAT LOOK A LITTLE BIT
EMBARRASSING TO HIM BUT THAT
DOESN’T MEAN THAT EVERYTHING HE
SAYS HAS NO LEGAL BASIS.
WHAT’S WRONG HERE WITH THIS
PICTURE?
PICTURE? THE MUELLER REPORT DOES STATE
THAT ITS WHOLE POINT AND PURPOSE
WAS TO PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE TO
ENABLE CONGRESS TO MAKE A
DECISION, NOT HAVE THE BRARL
SUMMARIZE IT OR RESUMMARIZE IT
OR MISCHARACTERIZE IT OR RULE ON
IT.
IT. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT BARR
AGAIN DEFLECTS ON HERE.
>> MY PURPOSE THERE WAS NOT TO
SUMMARIZE EVERY JOT AND PIDDLE
OF THE REPORT AND EVERY YOU
KNOW, ANGLE THAT MUELLER LOOKED
INTO.
INTO. BUT JUST STATE THE BOTTOM LINE
WHICH I DID IN THE FOUR-PAGE
MEMO.
MEMO. I SAID THAT MUELLER DID NOT
REACH A DECISION.
HE GAVE BOTH SIDES.
AGAIN, I WASN’T TRYING TO
PROVIDE ALL THE FLAVOR AND NOOKS
AND CRANNIES OF THE REPORT.
ROSENSTEIN AND I REACHED A
DECISION AND THE CRITERIA WE
APPLIED IN FINDING NO
OBSTRUCTION.
OBSTRUCTION. >> THE FACT IS WE ALREADY KNOW
BOB MUELLER THOUGHT THE SUMMARY
WASN’T JUST INADEQUATE OR
INCOMPLETE.
INCOMPLETE. BUT AS HE THOUGHT ABOUT HIS OLD
COLLEAGUE, YOU SEE HERE IN SOME
FILE FOOT AND, HE THOUGHT THIS
MAN WHO HE USED TO WORK WITH WHO
HE CLEARLY RESPECTED
FUNDAMENTALLY LOST THE THREAD.
AND THAT’S WHY HE IMMEDIATELY
COMMITTED HIS OBJECTIONS IN
WRITING TELLING MR. BARR THE
SUMMARY DIDN’T CAPTURE THE
CONTEXT, THE NATURE, THE
SUBSTANCE OF MUELLER’S WORK AND
ITS CONCLUSIONS.
ITS CONCLUSIONS. AND THAT WAS SEWING PUBLIC
CONFUSION.
CONFUSION. NOW I CAN TELL YOU FOR THE FIRST
TIME BARR IS ACTUALLY RECOUNTING
HIS SIDE OF RECEIVING THAT
UNUSUAL LETTER OF REBUKE FROM A
MAN WHO I WANT TO SAY THIS
RESPECTFULLY BUT I THINK
ACCURATELY A MAN AT THIS
JUNCTURE HAS FAR MORE PUBLIC
CREDIBILITY THAN MR. BARR.
BARR REFLECTED ON THEIR HISTORY
WHILE TALKING ABOUT THIS LETTER
HE GOT FROM MUELLER.
>> HE WROTE THE LETTER TAKING
ISSUE SAYING THAT YOU HAD CAUSED
CONFUSION.
CONFUSION. >> UH-HUH.
>> UH-HUH. >> DID THAT CATCH YOU OFF GUARD?
>> YEAH, SURE.
I WAS SURPRISED HE JUST DIDN’T
PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL ME,
GIVEN OUR 30-YEAR RELATIONSHIP.
>> WHY DIDN’T HE?
>> I DON’T KNOW.
>> I DON’T KNOW.
I DON’T KNOW.
MAYBE OUR GUESTS KNOW, JASON
JOHNSON, PAUL DIX, PAUL BUTLER
AND SOPHIA NELSON, COUNSEL TO
THE HOUSE OVERITH COMMITTEE.
GOOD EVENING IT EACH OF YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING.
>> PAUL HAD, MR. BARR WOULD HAVE
US BELIEVE THAT HE DOESN’T
UNDERSTAND WHY LAWYERS SOMETIMES
DO THINGS IN WRITING RATHER THAN
PICK UP THE PHONE, SUPER CAS
WHEN YOU’RE OLD BUDDIES.
CAN YOU HELP HIM AND THE REST OF
US UNDERSTAND?
US UNDERSTAND? >> YOU DO IT TO PRESERVE A
RECORD.
RECORD. DO YOU IT BECAUSE YOU DON’T
TRUST THE GUY YOU’RE WRITING THE
LETTER TO.
LETTER TO. THERE’S NO REASON WHY MUELLER
SHOULD HAVE TRUSTED BARR.
BARR MISCHARACTERIZED THE REPORT
THAT ROBERT MUELLER SPENT TWO
YEARS WORKING ON WHICH IS ABOUT
OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.
>> SO JUST FACT CHECKING THAT
POINT, WHEN HE SAYS SOMETHING
THAT I THINK COULD SOUND
REASONABLE TO PEOPLE IF I KNEW
SOMEONE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND
SAID WHY DIDN’T THEY JUST CALL
ME IN, CASUAL PARLANCE, THAT’S
REASONABLE TO SAY.
YOU’RE SAYING HE IS TRYING TO
SOUND REASONABLE WHILE HIDING
THE FACT THAT THIS REALLY WAS A
BLOWUP BETWEEN THEM THAT WAS BAD
ENOUGH TO BE IN WRITING?
>> YEAH, WHAT BILL BARR DID
WHETHER HE HAD THAT FAKE PRESS
CONFERENCE WHERE CAN HE MISSIZED
THE MUELLER REPORT IS PUT THE
INTEREST OF DONALD TRUMP AHEAD
OF THE INTERESTS OF THE UNITED
STATES.
STATES. SO THERE’S ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
WHY MUELLER SHOULD HAVE HAD ANY
CONFIDENCE IN HIM.
>> SOPHIA?
>> SOPHIA? >> YEAH, I MEAN, HE’S EXACTLY
RIGHT.
RIGHT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, ATTORNEY
GENERAL BARR IS I THINK DAMAGING
HIMSELF HIS COMMENTS IN THE
INTERVIEW THIS MORNING WERE JUST
UNBELIEVABLE ABOUT PEOPLE DYING
AND REPUTATIONS BE DAMNED.
HE REALLY DOESN’T CARE.
SO I THINK THAT PAUL’S DEAD ON
THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE
LAWYERS LIKE TO HAVE THESE
THINGS CALLED PRESENCE SENSE
IMPRESSIONS AND LIKE TO GET
THINGS DOWN ON PAPER BECAUSE WE
WANT TO PRESERVE A PAPER WE DID
DISAGREE.
DISAGREE. CLEARLY MUELLER FELT HE COULD
NOT TRUST BARR TO PICK UP THE
PHONE TO SAY YOU’VE GOT TO
CORRECT YOURSELF BECAUSE HE
DIDN’T GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST
TIME.
TIME. >> YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE
SAYS EVERYBODY DIES.
YOU’RE FAMILIAR WITH THE NEW
SOURCE MATERIAL.
SOURCE MATERIAL. LET’S HEAR THAT.
GO AHEAD.
GO AHEAD. >> EVERYONE DIES AND I’M NOT --
YOU KNOW, I DON’T BELIEVE IN THE
HO MAYOR RICK IDEA THAT
IMMORTALITY COMES BY HAVING OWED
SOMETHING ABOUT YOU OVER THE
COUNTRIES, YOU KNOWS?
>> NOW, SOPHIA, BASED ON WHAT I
KNOW AND IT IS FRIDAY OF A LONG
WEEK, MY UNDERSTANDING IS
EVERYONE DOES DIE.
YEP.
YEP. >> SO THAT IS TRUE.
>> THAT’S REAL.
THAT’S TRUE.
THAT’S TRUE. >> IT’S REAL.
IT’S VERY REAL.
SO REAL SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON’T
EVEN WANT TO THINK ABOUT OUR OWN
IMPENDING DEATH.
IMPENDING DEATH. WE’RE ALL JUST PACKAGES OF CELLS
THAT WILL EVENTUALLY EXPIRE.
YOU’RE SAYING HE’S DOING
SOMETHING WRONG THERE.
WHAT IS WRONG?
>> THERE’S SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT
THIS PACKAGE.
THIS PACKAGE. IT HAS A SOUL.
THE SOUL OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
HAS BEEN LOST, THE SOUL OF THIS
ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS BEEN LOST.
THIS IS ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION
OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND ROBERT MUELLER AND HIS TEAM
SPENT TWO YEARS AND $35 MILLION
IN TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND TWO GUYS
ROSENSTEIN AND BARR DECIDED TO
OVERTURN IT AND MAKE A DIFFERENT
ANALYSIS THAN THE MEN AND WOMEN
TACKED TO DO DO IT FOR TWO YEARS
WHO BY THE WAY, WERE FOLLOWING
THE DOJ, OLC ANALYSIS AS YOU
KNOW.
KNOW. THEY WERE ACTUALLY FOLLOWING DOJ
GUIDELINES FOR BARR TO SAY
OTHERWISE IS DISINGENOUS.
I DO FEAR HE IS LIKE THE GRIM
REAPER LIKE I’M GOING TO DIE OH
REPUTATION BE DAMNED.
DOESN’T HE HAVE CHILDREN AND
GRANDCHILDREN?
GRANDCHILDREN? DOESN’T HE WANT PEOPLE 0 PEOPLE
TO THINK WELL OF HIM WHEN HE
LEAVES THIS EARTH?
I DO.
I DO. >> I’M REALLY TORN.
I’M GOING TO BE VERY HONEST.
I LOVE WHAT YOU’RE SAYING ABOUT
THE SOUL.
THE SOUL. AS I PICK KICK DID OUT TO JASON,
IT’S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE
IT DEPENDS WHO SAYS IT.
IF THE MOST ENLIGHTENED DID SAY
IT IN THE RIGHT CONTEXT, YOUR
HONORABLE GRANDFATHER, YOUR
HUMBLE YOGA TEACHER, EVERYONE
DIES RECENT LET’S TAKE THAT, BUT
HE’S SAYING IT AS A REBUTTAL TO
THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WE’VE HAD
ON THIS PROGRAM AND OTHERS
PEOPLE WHO WORKED WITH HIM WHO,
RESPECTED HIM WHO THOUGHT HE WAS
BETTER THAN THIS ARE GAST AT HIS
PERFORMANCE.
PERFORMANCE. IT’S NOT WHETHER YOU DIE.
IT’S WHETHER YOUR REPUTATION,
THE OATH YOU TAKE TO THE OFFICE
MATTERS, JASON.
MATTERS, JASON. >> AGAIN DID, ARI, WHAT BARR IS
BASICALLY SAYING IS I DON’T CARE
WHAT ANYONE THINKS BECAUSE I’M
WORKING FOR TRUMP.
I DON’T CARE.
I’M GOING TO DO WHAT TRUMP WANTS
ME TO DO.
ME TO DO. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK
HISTORY WILL REFLECT WELL ON ME.
>> BUT AT THE END OF THAT 50I6R
CREPT LINE IS I’M GOING TO BE
WHO I’M DESTINED TO BE.
>> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY. THAT’S WHAT BARR KNOWS.
HE KNOWS AT THE END OF THE DAY
THIS ADMINISTRATION CONTINUES.
THAT HE WILL BE -- HE’S GOING TO
BE THE HAND OF THE PRESIDENT.
HE’S GOING TO CONTINUE TO KIND
OF WORK.
OF WORK. NEXT SUMMER, YOU’VE ALREADY
HEARD THE PRESIDENT SAY HE WANTS
BARR TO BE THE POINT MAN ON
INVESTIGATING JOE BIDEN OR
INVESTIGATING HILLARY CLINTON.
SO HE’S THINKING OF THE LONG
GAME.
GAME. HE DOESN’T CARE WHAT’S HAPPENING
NOW.
NOW. >> IT’S GOING TO BE A SURGICAL
SUMMER AS IT WERE.
>> RIGHT, EXACTLY.
>> PAUL?
>> PAUL? >> SOME OF THIS IS WITH REGARD
TO MUELLER HIM NOT BEING AS
DIRECT AS HE COULD BE ON THESE
ISSUES.
ISSUES. SO YOU KNOW, ARI, YOU AND I ARE
BIG HIP-HOP HEADS.
THE THING I LOVE ABOUT THAT
CULTURE IS IT’S DIRECT.
IT’S IN YOUR FACE.
>> SURE.
>> SURE. >> THAT’S NOT HOW ROBERT MUELLER
FLOWS.
FLOWS. WHEN I MIGHT SAY TRUMP IS A THUG
AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS A
LIAR, WHAT MUELLER SAYS IS WELL,
I DIDN’T HAVE THE ENOUGH
EVIDENCE TO CHARGE -- HE DIDN’T
EVEN SAY HE DIDN’T HAVE ENOUGH
TO CHARGE TRUMP WITH A CRIME.
WHAT HE SAID IS BILL BARR AND
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WON’T
LET ME CHARGE TRUMP WITH A
CRIME, BUT IF I THOUGHT THAT HE
WAS INNOCENT, I WOULD TELL YOU
THAT.
THAT. AND I’M NOT TELLING YOU THAT.
WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL MUELLER WRITES THAT
LETTER WHERE HE SAYS, WELL, YOU
DIDN’T EXACTLY CAPTURE THE
SUBSTANCE AND CONTEXT OF MY
400-PAGE MEMO.
400-PAGE MEMO. AGAIN, THAT’S CALLING BARR A
LIAR JUST NOT SAYING IT AS
DIRECT AS A HIP-HOP WOULD.
>> IN NO, SIR THOSE CAREFUL WAYS
WHICH AGAIN IS WHAT MAKES HIM A
GOOD PROSECUTOR AND THE KIND OF
PERSON YOU WOULD TRUST TO
NAVIGATE DIFFICULT ISSUES
WITHOUT FEAR OR FAVOR AND
PREJUDICE.
PREJUDICE. BUT WE ARE OUT HERE IN THE POST
REPORT PERIOD.
REPORT PERIOD. THE 68 DAYS BETWEEN THE REPORT
BEING TURNED IN AND HIM SPEAKING
IN PUBLIC AND WHAT THAT DID.
THE QUESTION, SOPHIA, YOU WORKED
AS A COUNSEL TO THE KONG IN A
COMMITTEE AND THE QUESTION HOW
THE CONGRESS IS STRUGGLING WITH
THAT.
THAT. WE’RE CALLING IT AS WE SEE IT.
THERE ARE DEMOCRATS WHO CLEARLY
SEEM TO BE STRUGGLING WITH HOW
TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> WE NEED TO CHANGE PUBLIC
OPINION.
OPINION. >> THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
SHOULD BEGIN IMPEACHMENT
INQUIRIES.
INQUIRIES. INQUIRIES.
INQUIRIES. ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. >> DEMOCRATS HAVE TO KEEP OUR
EYE ON PRIZE.
>> TO IMPEACH WITHOUT REMOVAL IS
I THINK A MISTAKE.
>> THE INQUIRY IS NOT THE SAME
AS THE FILING YOU KNOW, ARTICLES
OF IMPEACHMENT.
OF IMPEACHMENT. >> THAT’S NOT IMPEACHMENT.
THAT IS TO DETERMINE IS THE
FIRST STEP.
FIRST STEP. >> AT THIS JUNCTURE, SOPHIA, I
SEE JASON’S SHAKING HIS HEAD.
GO AHEAD, JASON.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> THEN SOPHIA.
>> THIS IS SO RIDICULOUS.
I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE SENATOR
HARRIS AND SENATOR WARREN THIS
WEEK CAME OUT AND SAID YOU KNOW
WHAT?
WHAT? ONCE I BECAME PRESIDENT AS THEY
SPOKE CONFIDENTLY, I’M GOING TO
SEND A MEMO TO THE DOJ BECAUSE A
LOT OF THIS COMES FROM THE FACT
THAT MUELLER WAS LIKE I CAN’T DO
ANYTHING.
ANYTHING. I CAN’T INDICT A SITTING
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. THAT’S SORT OF THE CORE AROUND
THIS.
THIS. ALL THE DANCING AROUND THE
DEMOCRATS ARE DOING IS BECAUSE
OF AN INTERPRETATION AT THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THAT NEEDS
TO BE CLARIFIED OR CHANGED.
IF WE HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT
CAN’T BE INDICTED AN YOU’LL GET
ACCOUNT WORD SALAD FROM MUELLER.
THAT’S WHERE THIS COMES FROM.
>> OF ALL THE REPUBLICANS
DUCKING AND HIDING, I’VE ONLY
HEARD JUSTIN AMASH AND RECENTLY
FORMER DEFENSE SECRETARY BILL
COHEN WHO WAS ON THE NIXON
IMPEACHMENT JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
IN THE HOUSE AS A REPUBLICAN.
HE SAID SOMETHING I WANT TO
LEAVE PEOPLE WITH TODAY WHICH IS
CONGRESS, DO YOUR JOB.
THIS ISN’T ABOUT WLOURNT YOU’RE
GOING TO GET REELECTED OR YOU’RE
COMING BACK.
COMING BACK. YOU TOOK AN OATH TO THE
CONSTITUTION.
CONSTITUTION. WHAT MUELLER LAID OUT IN HIS
REPORT, I READ IT ALL WERE,
SERIOUS HIGH CRIMES AND
MISDEMEANORS.
MISDEMEANORS. I’M OVER MY NEIGHBORS AND
EVERYBODY ELSE TRYING TO SKIRT
AROUND THIS AND SAY HOW THIS
PRESIDENT IS BEING PICKED ON.
HE’S NOT.
HE’S NOT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE
CONGRESS HAS TO DO ITS DUTY AND
MUST START AN INQUIRY NOW.
IT’S TIME FOR THEM TO DO IT.
>> WE HAVE A CONFLICT THOUGH
BETWEEN DOING THE RIGHT THING
AND THE POLITICS.
SO OFFSPEAKER PELOSI’S END GAME
IS TO GET DONALD TRUMP OUT OF
OFFICE, IMPEACHMENT MIGHT
ACTUALLY INTERFERE WITH THAT END
GAME BECAUSE OF THE POLITICS.
>> WHO CARES
>> WHERE IS SHE GOING?
>> WHO CARES.
IT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
>> YOU MIGHT CARE IF YOU DON’T
WANT DONALD TRUMP TO BE
PRESIDENT AND YOU DON’T WANT HIM
TO GET RE-ELECTED,
>> OBSTRUCT AND DO BAD THINGS.
>> THAT DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE.
>> I’M WITH YOU, JASON.
IT KEEPS NO SENSE THAT WE LET
HIM GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE WE
FEAR LOSING ELECTIONS.
THAT’S WHAT THIS REPUBLIC WAS
FOUNDED ON.
FOUNDED ON. >> I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
GIVE SPEAKER PELOSI CREDIT.
SHE’S NOT THE MOST POWERFUL
WOMAN IN THE UNITED STATES FOR
NO REASON.
NO REASON. SHE’S A MASTER POLITICIAN AND
KNOWS HER STRATEGY.
>> THIS IS ABOUT THE
CONSTITUTION, NOT ABOUT
POLITICS.
POLITICS. >> SOPHIA AND THEN JASON.
>> I’M JUST SAYING THIS IS
BIGGER THAN POLITICS.
THAT’S WHERE PATRIOTS COME FROM
AND THAT’S WHAT’S PROFILES IN
COURAGE ARE, WHEN IS WOMEN LIKE
MARGARET CHASE SMITH AND SAY
THIS IS YONG, McCARTHY.
I DON’T CARE IF YOU SEND ME HOME
PACKING AND I NEVER GET
RE-ELECTED AGAIN.
RE-ELECTED AGAIN. AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO THE
MAKE A DECISION THE REPUBLIC AND
THE VALUES OF THE REPUBLIC OR DO
WE LET THE PRESIDENT CONTINUE TO
EMBARRASS US.
EMBARRASS US. BILL BARR TALKED ABOUT ERODING
THE INSTITUTIONS.
THE INSTITUTIONS. NO PRESIDENT HAS DONE MORE
DAMAGE IN TWO YEARS THAN ALL OF
THEM COMBINED FOR 240 YEARS THAN
THIS ONE HAS.
THAT’S MY OPINION.
BUT THAT’S HOW I SEE IT.
>> I WOULDN’T NECESSARILY GO
THAT FAR AT THIS POINT.
IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE AN
EITHER/OR.
EITHER/OR. THE PROBLEM THAT I’VE HAD WITH
SPEAKER PELOSI, SHE WAS THROWING
WATER ON THIS BEFORE WE GOT THE
REPORT OUT.
REPORT OUT. THAT WAS THE PROBLEM.
SHE HAS BASICALLY BEEN
DISCOURAGING AND SENDING OUT A
CHILLING EFFECT TO THE ENTIRE
HOUSE SAYING NO, DON’T TAKE THIS
POSITION.
POSITION. I DON’T BELIEVE SHE’S PLAYING A
LONG GAME.
LONG GAME. I THINK HE’S AFRAID AND DOESN’T
THINK SHE HAS THE VOTES.
THE PROBLEM IS JUST LIKE YOU
HAVE TO CONVINCE THE AMERICAN
PUBLIC THAT IMPEACHMENT IS A
GOOD IDEA, YOU HAVE TO CONVINCE
YOUR OWN MEMBERS.
SHE’S NOT LETTING THEM BY SAYING
SHE DOESN’T WANT TO GO FOR IT.
>> IT’S FAS NASING TO HEAR SUCH
INTERESTING ARGUMENTS ACROSS THE
BOARD.
BOARD. THE POINT YOU END ON, JASON, IS
THE BAR POINT.
DO YOU TREAT THIS AS SOMETHING
THAT’S JUST HAPPENING AND WATCH
IT HAPPEN OR WHAT HE DID UNLIKE
SAY YOUR CRITICISM OF PELOSI.
HE CAME IN CLEAR LITTLE WITH A
VIEW AND ABDICATED IT AND
ARTICULATED IT AND MAY HAVE
MOVED PEOPLE ON IT.
WE ARE AT THE HIGHEST STAKES OF