Hola amigos.
So a while ago, I made a video on all the rappers that responded to the disses Eminem
fired at them on his Kamikaze album.
And recently, Tyler the Creator finally addressed earlier comments he made
on Eminem’s music that would eventually trigger the diss that Eminem fired at Tyler
on Kamikaze, so, while Tyler didn’t really respond to the diss in this interview, I thought
it would be fitting to make a sort of follow up video in a sense, talking about what Tyler
had to say about Eminem.
So how did Tyler respond, what did he have to say about Eminem’s music and do I agree
with what he said?
Well this is CDTVProductions, and let’s talk about this situation.
Tyler’s Response:
So if you don’t recall, on the track Fall (BARS) Eminem had this to say about Tyler
the Creator.
Not the hardest Eminem’s went on someone, but it still had a pretty venomous tone to
it.
Venommm adrenalinmomenmvenm.
And Eminem made it clear in his interview with Sway about the Kamikaze project that
this diss came from a place of anger about what Tyler has said before about Eminem’s
music on twitter.
He kinda felt like it was a backstab after he went on tour and hung out with Tyler.
And now with this new interview Tyler did with Hot 97, we got a bit more of his side
Tyler’s side and his feelings on Em’s music so let’s run through it.
(Interview Clip) So this part is obviously in reference to Tyler’s tweets about ShadyXV
and presumably about Walk On Water being trash, and honestly I’m conflicted on how I feel
about those tweets.
On one hand Tyler can feel however he wants about Eminem’s music and twitter isn’t
exactly made for giving a constructive breakdown of why you don’t like certain music, but
on the other hand, it almost always sounds disrespectful when you flat out call something
trash without really giving reasons as to why you dislike it.
I do understand that Tyler’s twitter personality is very outspoken and carefree, and I do understand
him feeling the way about Eminem's music that he does, because a lot of fans of older Eminem
music don’t like his new stuff as much, but I can see why Em would take issue with
how Tyler expressed his feelings.
After that, he then goes on to say Relapse was an Eminem album that he loved, mainly
because of the dark, weird, and different sound it had to it, and he felt that that
was what Eminem wanted to make.
In Tyler's words that was 100% him.
(Tyler Interview Clip). and while he didn’t love Recovery he could see what Eminem was
going for with it and why people did like it.
However, what he says right after that is something I highly disagree with.
(Interview clip).
But MMLP2 wasn’t exactly ‘going back’.
This kinda makes it sound like it was a complete retread of the original Marshall Mathers LP
just to win favour with old Em fans, but it really wasn’t.
Tyler gives off the impression that Eminem was rapping about the same topics over the
same type of production on the sequel, pretending he’s still the same Eminem as back in 2000,
but I don’t feel like that’s the case.
Eminem was older, his life changed a lot between 2000-2013, and he does rap from that new,
more mature perspective on this project.
A great example is Headlights, where he deeply apologies to his mother for disses he relentlessly
threw at her earlier in his career.
On almost every track on MMLP2 Eminem is reflecting on how he used to be and is comparing that
to how he feels now, years later in a pretty self critical way.
Honestly at most, the closest it gets to the original Mathers LP is with references within
the lyrics, one sequel track to Stan, and the Parking Lot skit which picks up where
the skit in Criminal left off.
Again, not saying he has to like the album, but I just don’t see how you could say it’s
the same album or from the same perspective or just a re-working of the 1st one.
However, it’s not all disagreements from me, because Tyler does make a good point at
this part of the interview about how Eminem responds to criticism.
(Interview clip).
That is pretty true to an extent.
Eminem has talked a lot within his music about feeling conflicted on what he should make
due to the responses his music gets, and Revival is pretty evident of this.
It seemed like his goal with that project was to please everyone by putting tracks that
sounded like each of his older albums throughout it, and as a result it actually did the opposite
and ended up leaving most people feeling very mixed about it at best.
The implementation was pretty messy and underwhelming.
There’s also the fact that he was gonna make Relapse 2, but eventually scrapped it
and made Recovery presumably due to the fact that the first Relapse didn’t get the most
stellar reaction when it came out.
making it clear that to some degree he’s often trying to make what other people want
him to and perhaps not doing what he wants to as much.
So Tyler does have a good point with that statement in my opinion.
Throughout the interview, we never really get a clear cut response on how Tyler actually
feels about this Eminem diss, but just from the way he talks and his demeanour it seems
like he didn't take it too personally, and he wasn't too hurt by it, which is good, and
not to mention he was pretty respectful towards Em in this interview.
He just likes to be blunt on twitter.
I’d love to see an Eminem and Tyler collab in the future, and because it doesn't seem
like Tyler isn’t holding any negative feelings against Eminem for this, I’m gonna choose
to believe it’s still possible.
A man can dream.
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