- So you're with part of the motley crew,
that is Outlaw King, it's good to see you guys.
- Good to see you.
- Congratulations on the film,
a big night in Toronto last night,
I was there for your opening night,
very well received by the audience,
including myself, I really enjoyed it.
It's quite an honor taking this kind of film,
I mean, this, you know, I think for good or for bad,
a lot of people are gonna come to this
and they're gonna think Braveheart,
that's a reference point.
Is that something you guys talked about with David,
as you approached the material,
like what's gonna set this apart?
Why is this story worth telling in a different way,
in a much different story, but a story that is familiar
to audiences way back when?
- Well, yeah, clearly, I mean, obviously
the other historical epic that was done
was done by Mel Gibson in Braveheart
and nominations and awards and all that,
so that was clearly on our mind,
I mean, the hero that we're portraying
is clearly very different.
In the research that I did and common knowledge,
you know, William Wallace was a righteous,
moralistic fellow, that hated the English
and wanted to bring the crown down and freedom, freedom.
There's a linearity to his story,
that is beautiful in its kind of monochromatism,
which is the English suck and the Scottish were great.
- Right.
- Bruce in the research that I did
was much, much more complicated
and he's gotten a bad rap in history
for having supplicated and kissed the ring.
Now the psychoanalysation of why he did it,
was he Machiavellian in his thought?
Was he thinking and biding his time?
Was he, it's all very murky ground,
- Right. - but in that murky ground,
for us, I think, for me and David,
made him a much more
resonant figure in a much more interesting space
in which to create this film and lastly I would say
is that, fascinating to me about the idea of it
is that we had all this money to make the film
that we wanted on the scope that we wanted
and then you have David, who's coming from
a very kind of auteur, small indie background
and I thought that conflagration
could produce something pretty
Drake!.
(laughing)
- It's one every three minutes, yeah.
- [Chris] I think it did, you know.
- This is Chris Pine sponsored by?
- Drake.
- Any Drake played on the-- - Moorsom!
- Totally lost control.
Impressive facial hair in this cast, by the way,
this might be the facial hair grouping of the year for me.
Thoughts?
- Yeah, we were expecting that win, thanks Josh.
- When you have an MTV movie,
it's next level facial hair. - Yeah, totally, yeah.
- An early front runner.
- What, who's the winner in this?
- Well, surely James Cosmo's the,
- Well, Cosmo, that's just,
he gets the antiquarian beard of the year,
it's just beautifully modeled,
- Right, that's a-- - it has such patina to it.
I think Aaron's beard is,
Aaron has a kind of subcategory, sub woofer of a beard,
kind of a duality beard. - A double beard.
- [Josh] Yeah.
- Yep, he wins double beard award.
- Yeah.
- Billy's is a scarce beard.
- It is scarce, I tried my best.
- But the haircut is-- - I think I make up for it
with the bowl cut, you know. - Yeah.
- That was a bold choice.
- You're gonna bring that, that's not,
you shouldn't have done that. - It's not, it's actually,
David was very serious in the beginning,
he wanted, the hairstyle was a big, the big conversation,
a big conversation. - I'm sure.
- I remember I tried, there was one wig I tried on,
that was this kind of like very, very Scottish,
Legends of the Fall, very, lots of kind of,
- Very Tristan, very-- - just Morrocan hair oil ad,
kind of a Pantene Pro-V vibe.
- Oh.
- But then we just went mullet,
'cause we said, fuck it, Drake.
(laughing)
- You're sitting in the crowd last night with this audience,
right, you were sat through the movie, I believe
and you know a scene is coming up,
that people are gonna react to.
I always keep it classy here. - Which one?
- There's some nudity in the film,
I don't know if you noticed this.
- You apparently did. - Okay.
- No, Josh, it's cool, man. - I'm a journalist, man.
- It's fine. - I'm just taking notes
and I look up and I'm like, oh, I haven't seen that before.
(laughing)
- Now you're done.
- So what was the conversation
around that choice in the movie?
Why was that, was that something that,
I mean, that's a choice
and that's a discussion point, I would think,
what made you wanna do that,
what made David wanna explore that?
- It wasn't a beard, it was a merkin.
- Wow.
(laughing)
- Sorry.
- It was really a matter of,
I never really, I guess that one would think
that it would be, you know, kind of a,
I never really thought about it,
it seemed so necessary in that,
you know, we're trying to make a film about a man
and it's a man who happens to become king
and it's a story about power
and who has power and why in the world of power,
all these kind of really primal elements
and one of the primal elements I think is, you know,
this is a film that takes place in the mud and the rain,
there's fire, there's sex, there's killing,
there's violence, there's love, there's all of it,
it is all the things that make animals animals
and humans humans and humans animals,
- Right.
- and that particular scene, you know,
on this hero journey, the man is stripped of everything,
he's stripped of everything,
everything, everything, everything
and ends up in a cave in the darkest recesses,
you know, of his mind and his imagination,
he's wrestling and the next scene
is he reenters, you know, life,
I think he's washed away of his kind of,
all the trappings of this world and he becomes a new man,
I mean, that was, you know, the idea behind it,
but it's a hell of a thing to see on a 40-foot screen.
- You're telling me, yeah. - Yeah.
- As we wrap up, you've been shooting Wonder Woman 1984,
which we're all very excited about.
Are we gonna be satisfied with the complex, I'm sure
explanation for your return?
I'm sure that was a discussion point for you too,
like you don't wanna come back
after the satisfying end for your character.
- Oh no, I would have come back anyway,
I didn't really care,
I wanted to work with Patti and Gal again,
I don't really, - Oh really?
Okay. - I don't have a problem
with it, they can Drake!
(laughing)
- It's not a thing.
Can you tell me has it been enjoyable
to work with a fanny pack?
Is this your first fanny pack you've worn
as part of your-- - I've already bought one,
Patagonia. - Okay, they're not gonna--
- Feel free to send me. - You really did that?
- Yeah, I'm crazy into it, especially the idea
that you can just kind of swivel adjust, you know,
it gets in your way, (bleep) it, just swing it around.
- Right. - You know.
- I think that's the motto of fanny packs,
just swing it, swing it. - Swing it (bleep).
(laughing)
Clearly that's not what they say.
- Okay.
Gentlemen, this has been
a really classy interview, as always.
Anything else you wanna say, before we wrap it up?
- Sick.
- Good to see you guys.
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