HITS FROM LAST NIGHTS SPEECH.
WERE GOING TO KEEP AN EYE ON
THIS SPEECH TO SEE IF HE BREAKS
ANY OTHER NEWS, BUT WERE
TURNING TO OUR OTHER BIG STORY
AND A BIG GUEST.
THE FEDS PROBE INTO GIULIANI HAS
BEEN INTENSIFYING, GIVEN THAT
NEW RAID WE HAVE BEEN REPORTING
ON AND LAST YEAR THE FBI PUT
QUESTIONING ABOUT HIM TO A
POLITICAL FIGURE ALSO IN
GIULIANIS VIDEO THAT PUSHED THE
ACCREDITED UKRAINE PLOT AGAINST
THE BIDENS.
IT IS THE SAME FORMER LAWMAKER
WHO ALSO TRIED TO OFFER A
SUPPOSED PEACE PLAN BETWEEN
RUSSIA AND UKRAINE TO ANOTHER
LAWYER WORKER WITH AND MORE
DONALD TRUMP AT THE TIME,
MICHAEL COHEN.
MR. COHEN FOUND REPRESENTING AND
WORKING FOR DONALD TRUMP, BUT
HIM, AS A LAWYER, IN HIS OWN
CRIMINAL LEGAL TROUBLE.
HIS HOME WAS RAIDED, JUST LIKE
GIULIANI YESTERDAY.
HE WAS ARRESTED.
COHENS LOYALTY WAS NOT REPAID
IN ANY PUBLIC OR VISIBLE WAY BY
DONALD TRUMP WHO RELEASED THE
DOGS ON HIM TELLING THE WORLD TO
ASK MICHAEL COHEN ABOUT TRUMPS
ALLEGED MALFEASANCE.
COHEN WAS CONVICTED LIKE
MANAFORT, GAETS,STONE.
HE DID USE SOME OF HIS POWER FOR
THOSE AIDS, BUT NOT ALL.
NOW ONE OF DONALD TRUMPS MOST
FAMOUS LAWYERS STANDS RIGHT NOW
TONIGHT AT A CROSS ROADS LIKE
THOSE OTHER DESPERATE TRUMP
DEFENDERS, WEIGHING COOPERATION
AND SELF-PRESERVATION VERSUS
DEFIANCE ON BEHALF OF A MAN WHO
THIS TIME DONALD TRUMP NO LONGER
HOLDS ANY POWER.
GIULIANI, AS WE WERE DISCUSSING
WITH OUR GUESTS TONIGHT HE
RETURNED TO THE SPOTLIGHT HE
CRAVES BY LITERALLY MAKING
ARGUMENTS FOR TRUMP THAT EVEN
TRUMPS OWN PAID STAFF WOULDNT
MAKE LATE LAST YEAR.
THATS WHY HE WAS ONE OF THE
LAST PEOPLE STANDING IN THE
ABSURD EFFORT TO CONTINUALLY
CONTEST AN ELECTION THAT WAS
OBVIOUSLY AND SOON QUITE
EMBARRASSINGLY OVER.
HE DID IT FOR THE ATTENTION.
FOR THE GAME.
AND HIS OTHER EXPERTS ON SOURED
ALLIANCES WILL TELL YOU, PEOPLE
WHO DO ANYTHING FOR FAME CAN BE
QUITE WEEK.
DISCARDING DISLOYAL COLLEAGUES,
QUOTE, THE POINT IM TRYING TO
MAKE IS I DONT EVER NEED THEM.
SEEN WHAT YOU DO FOR FAME.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO FOR FREEDOM?
PLEASE, CHECK HIM FOR A WIRE OR
AN EAR PIECE.
WELL, THE IDEA THERE IS CLEAR.
THE IDEA IS THAT IF YOU WILL
SELL OUT JUST TO GET SOME
SECONDHAND CLOUT FROM THE BOSS,
YOU CANT REALLY BE TRUSTED.
AND WHEN THE REAL LEGAL HEAT IS
ON, WHEN JAIL LOOMS, YOU MAY
FLIP FOR YOUR FREEDOM.
WILL GIULIANI DO THAT?
WELL, THE LAST TRUMP LAWYER IN
THIS POSITION HAD BEEN
PUBLICALLY QUITE STERNLY LOYAL
TO DONALD TRUMP FOR YEARS.
BUT AS MENTIONED, WHEN MICHAEL
COHEN FOUND NO LOYALTY FROM
DONALD TRUMP IN RETURN, HE DID
COOPERATE.
HE MAY BE THE ONE PERSON IN
AMERICA WHO KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT
GIULIANI IS UP AGAINST RIGHT NOW
WITH THE STAKES HIGH AND THE
PRESSURE ON AND THE WHOLE
COUNTRY KNOWING WHAT HAPPENED TO
HIM.
MR. COHEN FACED THE SAME NEW
YORK PROSECUTORS, THE SAME
PRESSURE ON HIS FAMOUS FORMER
CLIENT.
AND ULTIMATELY THE FAME
EXISTENTIAL QUESTION.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO FOR FREEDOM?
JOINING ME NOW BACK ON "THE
BEAT" IS MICHAEL COHEN, FORMER
LAWYER TO DONALD TRUMP, HOST OF
THE PODCAST, AUTHOR OF THE BOOK
"DISLOYAL" AND SOMEONE WHO HAS
BEEN A GUEST AND AN EXPERT FOR
US BEFORE.
THANK YOU FOR RETURNING,
MICHAEL.
>> HOW ARE YOU DOING, ARI?
>> IM GOOD.
THANKS.
WE LOOK AT THE PARALLELS.
DOES THIS SURPRISE YOU IN ANY
WAY THAT THE FEDS WERE IN
GIULIANIS OFFICE YESTERDAY?
WHAT DO YOU THINK HE WILL DO?
>> OKAY.
SO IN YOUR INTRODUCTION ON ME,
THERE IS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT
ARE NOT EXACTLY ACCURATE.
FIRST OF ALL, I DID NOT FLIP ON
DONALD TRUMP.
I COOPERATED ON MY OWN
CONDITIONS.
I INNER SIGNNEVER SIGNED A --
>> LAWYER TO LAWYER, THOUGH,
ILL LET YOU FINISH.
YOU AND I KNOW LEGALLY.
I SAID LEGALLY COOPERATED IN
THAT YOU WERE NO LONGER SOMEONE
THAT WAS FIGHTING A JURY TRIAL.
YOU DID COOPERATE AND STRIKE A
DEAL.
I DID NOT USE THE WORD "FLIP".
>> I ALSO WAS NOT ARRESTED.
I WAS ADVISED BY MY ATTORNEY ON
A FRIDAY NIGHT, WHICH WAS THE
FIRST TIME THAT I HAD HEARD
ABOUT ANY SORT OF CHARGES THAT
WOULD BE BROUGHT AGAINST ME,
EITHER I COME IN ON MONDAY OR
PLEAD GUILTY OR THEY WERE GOING
TO FILE AN 85-PAGE INDICTMENT
THAT WILL INCLUDE MY WIFE WHO
HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING
WHICH IS WHY I USED MONEY FROM
MY HELOCK ACCOUNT SO THAT SHE
WOULDNT KNOW.
LETS GO BACK TO GIULIANI.
WHAT IS HE THINKING?
ITS NOT WHAT HES THINKING.
ITS WHAT HE KNOWS.
HE KNOWS HES IN BIG TROUBLE AS
YOUR PREVIOUS GUESTS HAD JUST
AVISED.
HE RAN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF
NEW YORK.
HE KNOWS EXACTLY THE GAMES THAT
THEY PLAY BECAUSE HES THE ONE
THAT CREATED THAT PLAY BOOK.
AND THEY TAKE NO PRISONERS.
THEY DID EXACTLY THE SAME THING
TO ME.
AND HERES THE INTERESTING
THING.
IT MAY START WITH JUST UKRAINE,
BUT THATS NOT WHERE ITS GOING
TO STOP BECAUSE RUDY IS ACTUALLY
A STUPID GUY.
AND RUDY HAS NO IDEA ABOUT
TECHNOLOGY.
HE SAYS VERY DUMB THINGS WHEN
ESPECIALLY HE STARTS DRINKING
AND HE STARTS WANTING TO BE
THIS -- THIS TOM HAGAN TO DONALD
RUNNING AROUND THE WORLD TALKING
TO PEOPLE ABOUT HOW, IN FACT,
YOU KNOW, HES DONALD TRUMPS
RIGHT HAND GUY AND HE CAN GET
EVERYTHING DONE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AS THEY SAY, THE
CHICKEN IS COMING HOME TO ROOST
AND HE KNOWS HES GOT PROBLEMS.
HE KNOWS ITS NOT GOING TO END
WELL.
SO UNLIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH ME,
UNLIKE, YOU KNOW, MANAFORT WHO
TOOK IT TO TRIAL OR ROGER STONE
WHO WENT TO TRIAL, I DIDNT.
I PLED GUILTY AND I GOT 36
MONTHS.
SO HES ONLY RIGHT NOW IMAGING
WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO IN ORDER
TO STAY OUT OF PRISON?
BECAUSE RUDY GIULIANI HAS NO
INTEREST IN BEING IN PRISON
DURING THE GOLDEN YEARS OF HIS
LIFE.
THAT I CAN ASSURE YOU.
>> YEAH.
WELL, AND ITS A LOT OF HEAT,
MICHAEL.
TAKE A LISTEN TO DONALD TRUMP
HERE ON FOX BUSINESS.
>> RUDY GIULIANI IS A GREAT
FAKER.
HE DOES THESE THINGS.
HE JUST LOVES THESE THINGS.
AND THEY RAID HIS APARTMENT?
ITS LIKE SO UNFAIR AND SUCH --
ITS LIKE A DOUBLE STANDARD LIKE
I DONT THINK ANYBODYS EVER
SEEN BEFORE.
ITS VERY, VERY UNFAIR.
>> IS DONALD TRUMP SCARED RIGHT
NOW?
>> YES, I THINK HES SCARED.
AND AS I HAVE SAID ON OTHER
PROGRAMS AND, YOU KNOW, TO THE
PRESS, DONALD WE HAVE SEEN THIS
BEFORE.
WE SAW IT WHEN THEY CAME AND
THEY RAIDED MY HOTEL, MY ROOM
AND MY LAW OFFICE, RIGHT?
AND YOU DECIDED THAT YOU DIDNT
KNOW WHO I WAS, THAT HE WAS VERY
ANGRY THAT THEY HAD RAIDED ONE
OF HIS ATTORNEYS OFFICES.
DONALD TRUMP DOESNT CARE ABOUT
RUDY GIULIANI.
DONALD TRUMP DIDNT CARE ABOUT
RUDY GIULIANI UNTIL RUDY WAS
ACTUALLY DOING FREE LEGAL WORK
FOR HIM.
AND RUDY DIDNT CARE MUCH ANTBOU