is there a way to practice the hard conversations 100% there is and so many
people think they're above rehearsals role play those are those are things
that are critical to seal performance on the battlefield I think a lot of people
don't realize that we actually we we do work rehearsals and walkthroughs before
every single operation and we try to mimic that maybe it's you know we're out
training in the desert we might even have like you know we might lay out
rocks or put tape on the ground so it in mimics bill if we if we if there's not
actual buildings to use for training facilities or or and we have everyone
stand together and their sticks and we know who's getting on the helicopter
here and these guys are gonna be on the second helicopter there those are the
kind of things that allow people in the dark of night when it's crazy and it's
chaotic to go to the right place do what they're supposed to do everything as
simple as unloading from a vehicle just we would practice that we we had this we
had this giant truck that we use when the Aidid threats started getting really
bad in Iraq initially she steals offers for riding in the back on benches in in
the back of a Humvee kind of an open bed like a truck truck time back and then
the ID threat the roadside bombs I started getting so dangerous that we had
to put guys inside armor and so that means the Humvees could only carry five
guys you know if you don't have guys in the back so so we had to take this giant
we call it the man truck and we think we nicknamed it big zip was art was our
truck and it was it was a big five ton truck and you know a flatbed truck and
and they'd I don't know if previous seals or if the army had done it rains
but we had welded these a quarter-inch steel plates around it and then we had
then we had sandbags in the bottom of it so that was like our that was our
protection and most of the sandbags were like torn up because the boots going in
and out and so it was you're just sitting on sand
so have you got blown up who wouldn't have provided a whole lot of protection
from you but you get loan up and Sandy getting out of that truck is substantial
when you got 20 guys sit in the back of that truck and they're you know it with
some of our guys are key of soldiers that were with us our
Jun DS and you got to open swing open this giant heavy you know quarter-inch
steel doors in the back and then you got to put a ladder out and everyone's got
to climb down that ladder that takes some time and guess what that can turn
into Three Stooges real quick no doubt sure that who can get injured we've had
guys fall off the trucks like that and dislocate their shoulders and literally
have to get sent home but more important if it's if it takes three minutes or
four minutes to do something like that that's three or four minutes that you
don't have guns pointing it in every direction
and it's critical so we had to practice that and practice that and practice that
until we could do it in less than 30 seconds and and then if we have two
different assault forces we got to make sure assault ones line up on the left
side of the road assault twos line up on the right side of the road I mean those
things that you we have to practice that over and over and over again and it
seems really juvenile it seems very elementary but if you did if you took
the time to practice that performance your performance is so much better when
you actually get out in the dark at night the chaos have been an unknown
area and worried about you know bad guys and where they are and all those things
happening and making sure people went to the place they need to go so having
those conversations practicing it sitting down with someone who
understands how that person might respond for a tough conversation role
play maybe you know they they try different scenarios whether they're
really it's a softball or easy scenario it's a difficult scenario and it's the
worst case scenario worst-case scenario so the more you do that the better it is
and this is something that Joc when I've done quite a bit is with companies we
work with is role play you got a council again and it's easy just to say well you
screwed up you were firing you but if it's this is a good guy he messed up you
got to try to get him on board to use this plan or you have to talk him down
from doing this out on it you know he did something out in town but it's
making the company look that whatever it is and you have to talk to them and that
role play is critical and it makes you better and enables you to perform better
and so yes you have to do that your hearse yep three or four iterations with
someone dealing with in a roleplay scenario they get better you can
literally see them get better it's pretty uh pretty cool we got pretty good
getting in and out of big zip