pro-abortion protesters already
delivering on their promise to target
churches on this mother's day weekend
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well
many on the left as you're seeing
melting down over the leaked supreme
court draft opinion that signals the
justices could overturn roe versus wade
in the upcoming dobbs decision
that draft dates back to february but it
remains unclear if the court will
actually overturn roe justice clarence
thomas says the supreme court will not
be intimidated telling the 11th circuit
judicial conference this quote we can't
be an institution that can be bullied
into you just getting the outcomes that
you want the events from earlier this
week are a symptom
of that so tammy i want to start with
you as we broaden out this conversation
i mean look i think a lot of the
abortion debate involves winning hearts
and minds i'm not sure interrupting
you know church services or vandalizing
houses of worship
you're a nut yeah it's not going to
really uh work i think for a lot of
americans we've also heard this from the
white house jen saki tang a little bit
with our colleague peter ducey
just earlier in the week about this and
then doubled down yesterday aboard air
force one saying basically the president
president biden doesn't have a view on
whether or not protesters ought to show
up at the private homes of supreme court
justices watch this
the president believes in peaceful
protest he believes that's part of our
democracy and part of uh the history of
the united states in this country but he
also respects and understands uh the
independence of the third branch of
government
and i mean obviously the justice
department but also the role of the
supreme court and what they play so
i wouldn't say he has a view on that
so he's agnostic on this question of
whether or not
you know activists should agitate at
people's houses yeah tammy i mean this
should be a layup for the white house to
just say okay look there are certain
lines that shouldn't be crossed this is
one of them and they're not doing it
well they're not but as a result
they are saying do it right i mean this
is permission by what's omitted and they
know it they're not saying this is wrong
even though on its face it's wrong it's
also a crime
uh you are whether it's peaceful or not
it's a crime uh to go and a protest or
parade in front of a justice's home or
at a court with the intent of
influencing the decisions or the actions
of that of that judge so this is very
very clear they know it's clear they're
saying they don't have an opinion on if
you're going to break the law and you
know those are people's lives perhaps
could be ruined but in the meantime uh
this is of course as we know look my
activism on the left began with abortion
rights my opinion on this has shifted
dramatically in the decades in which i
was doing this this is not the 70s or
the 80s or even the 90s
this supreme court does not make law
this is about the nature of a decision
about the constitution states have their
own laws they have their own cultures
that the people in california are going
to be fine there are some states that
have other laws that are under trigger
if roe versus wade was changed but my
goodness you guys the left is constantly
complaining about old men judges and
people who are conservatives on on
courts
this is the way to remove this issue
from the hands of a few unelected people
back into the hands of the people of
their states the majority of voters are
women in this country this puts it right
back where you have the most influence
which is with your your state
legislatures and you can solve this
problem forever and yet the left and the
right the extremes on both sides don't
want that because it's there's too much
money to be made and this kind of thing
they love dragging people around by
their ears as a as a former feminist and
as a person who understands the
importance of the
privacy issue and the independence of
women's lives what they're doing now is
an outrage it's an embarrassment to all
of us that
threatening justices has nothing to do
with abortion and everything to do with
striking at the the foundation of this
nation and our institutions now i would
note that the road decision back in 1973
was rendered by seven men right so we
sort of get into those games sometimes
but i guess it's fine for men to weigh
in on this other times charlie you know
tammy was just talking about breaking
the law
on that front right i caught up with
bill barr the former u.s attorney
general on my radio show just yesterday
and he says not only did the person who
leaked this draft opinion do something
very unethical and appalling he believes
and this i think matters it carries
weight coming from him he believes the
leaker broke the law and should be in
jail listen
i think
that it's a crime it was done it appears
to have been done and i think eventually
it will be shown to have been done in
order to derail
the opinion and upset the the
deliberations of the court and so
i think ultimately it belongs in the
criminal justice side of things and the
person who did this should go to jail
all right charlie so your reaction first
of all to that and secondly just on the
discussion we were having with tammy i
wonder if jenn saki over at the white
house at least for now would she be so
nonchalant if a right-wing group posted
her personal home address for people to
go out in protest you know it should be
like oh well you know we don't really
have a view on that i think they might
have a view on that charlie
well exactly uh they would be i mean it
would be all anybody would be talking
about if uh if people on the left had
been doxxed uh in this manner and uh
these kinds of threats were being made
to people on the left it's very hard to
uh to to improve on anything that that
you just said tammy but uh i think
you're exactly right the uh you know the
the idea that the white house doesn't
have an opinion
on law breaking tells you everything you
need to know about the the
administration's position not only in
this case in particular but but sort of
their larger view of uh lawfulness in
terms of you know when it comes to a
fight that they want to win they don't
care they don't care about justice they
just care about winning and i think that
that's becoming uh increasingly clear
the other thing that i think is
important to also remember because
obviously you know not only do we have a
court case
the court decision coming up but we'll
also have an election in another six
months after and a few months after that
uh six months i think from tomorrow um
and the important thing about that is
you know as tammy said it's going to go
to the voters and the voters are going
to get to make their decision and a lot
of democrats the hot take right after
this this uh this uh draft opinion
leaked was among democrats was this was
going to energize democrat voters it may
i think it's going to probably energize
a little bit of everybody for a lot of
various reasons but but i could tell you
this this kind of behavior from the far
left picketing justice's homes and as
you uh uh
talked to to justice uh judge barr about
uh
uh um a.g barr about
it is against the law it's absolutely
against law but also politically
speaking it's disgusting and when you
have protesters going around
chanting thank god for abortion and my
all-time favorite abortion saves lives
that kind of thing is going to is
increasingly going to turn off voters
and become a big issue in november and i
don't think it's going to turn the way
democrats uh are predicting it well and
on that point i shall quickly there was
a fox news poll taken right before this
all leaked and republicans were up seven
points on the generic ballot heading
into november a new cnn poll was taken
after the leak and republicans are up
seven points on the generic ballot in
that poll maybe this isn't the
needle-moving game-changer that some on
the left have been predicting yeah i'm
not convinced yet guy that uh this is
going to be the galvanizing uh
moment for democrats to be able to
gain that voter enthusiasm that they so
desperately want in november and i'll
just point to a tweet really quickly by
senator chris murphy who tried this just
today
by alluding to this case and then
writing this democrats should loudly run
on the mean-spirited dangerous
right-wing turn of the gop starting now
and guy here are some of the responses
from apparently democrats they say or
maybe actually use the power you were
given in the last election and another
one writes november is months away we
need to know what the plan is right now
and i think that's the problem is
voters don't really know what the plan
is right now for democrats
they're going to struggle mightily to
try to codify roe
they won't be able to blow up the
filibuster to be able to do that and i
think charlie's right
it's going to be a hard sell we're six
months away and you and i know
in politics that is forever a lot could
happen in the next six months yep and
the bill that they're pushing the
democrats in congress is unlimited
abortion on demand through nine months
which is just really radical and wild
and out there so look we'll be watching
the election is months away i love this
idea that it's like a novel concept oh
maybe the democrats should just call the
republicans nasty names that'll finally
work for them they've never tried that
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