Bob Intel Caldwell hey Bob what's on hello Tom I do appreciate you and all
the work you do
I want to challenge your point of view little bit here
you frequently do grab handle why you have an expectation
there this matter if corporate fascist
tyranny somehow gonna be resolved through the judiciary
maybe 400 500 years down the road
when we're on another planet I mean I'm talkin all kinds of people
and there is it really any progressive movement we can even discussed
progressive ideas because were too scared
I'm not scared bob i you know superiors I don't know who your talkin many people
both
Republican democrat and also
independent people have no hope whatsoever to use it with a second bob
you think bernie sanders is scared you think shared brown a scare jan
Schakowsky shared alan Grayson scared I'm scared we're not scared scared to
death ok gimme a break
come ahead you'd be right here I think they're scared to death
they the think the year there is
totally corrupted okay so if if those people were not scared
how would you know that they would be talking
about issues that they are any willing to discuss
on the air they are very are not
okay so what I it's an hour getting into bob's criteria for whether you're scared
or not scared
it's not bad did you see yesterday were alan Grayson said I stand with Ed
snowden
I I stand with Glenn Greenwald excuse me I stand with the Glenn Greenwald odin is
not
a an elected official aired snowden
speaks prepared Snowden's point of view I don't forget snowden
should be persecuted and prosecuted I agree with a whole lot or what she say
I'm just saying how do you expect this to change
when people are so in hammered into this system that they disagree with
I expected to change because people I want people to get involved in the Sonic
them to get involved movement let me finish this thought here bob I want them
to fit I wonder I want people to get involved in movement politics
and and most importantly the biggest
enemy to change is cynicism
the kinda cynicism that you're promoting right now the causes p and in fact
you know I remember back in 2004 election this was one of the things when
we were able to identify people who are calling the program
who are being paid to call in and pretend they were democrats
and then would go off on John Kerry that they were you know and all he's not
gonna competition ease away on Pino giannelli asian stocks
like the whole idea was to promote sign a schism
to cause democrats to feels so bad no I'm talking about you bob
publicans the car I am bob you know you wanna call me out I'm calling you out
throw you out okay okay good luck
they kinda cynicism that you're promoting is not
useful powered
and want to get the cynicism of the year and start talking about progressive
issues
I don't talk about progressive issues
okay fob II
you know it's always nice to hear from you I
frankly think that you know embracing cynicism is not a useful thing
and just sayin a there's no solution to this
what the hell let's just go fishing I don't think that works
or you know let's get the guns I don't think that works either we do have to
get
will be ready this
bomb at jaramana here with you an
and Catherine Seattle says you're a cynic to
really i'ma Senate and al- lot of people call you a cynic
fat away i spose but I don't think I am I think I'm an optimist
I I don't see that particular layout many Ryanair pretty harsh with a lot of
people all
but that's okay are this government is based on a long I
I mean I'm tired a bowl I is
I'm very cynical in and you know and
I have had so many experiences let me just give you one experience
I was in moscow widely Harvey a all
oswald was there in the same place October 26 in the radio factory me
happen now all I was that's a moscow
I consulate a in moscow and when he was the lead
okay at and 1959
I'm and thats were I got really Senate of
I'll tell you why because
a you know if this guy was screaming on the other side of the door how could
hear everything he said
and I he didn't mean anything to me he had shot kennedy et
tire I don't think he ever get and I'll tell you why
I this sell all I
came roaring out at the door and hit say I got a good look at it
that was not Lee Harvey Oswald now
fast forward to the Los Angeles Times years
years later section 63 I was sitting there reading about
Moscow 1926 a 1959 I am
we r else what that mister not Lee Harvey Oswald
not that was a short heavyset man
and he was
a I had this verified by what they said Mexico City
send a picture you know the Embassy's down there stoutly happy hour false
yeah now what's going on in this country II me know that's where I got very
cynical
pressure not Lee Harvey Oswald sure was it so
so here's the question um or the issue I guess Catherine
a a genuine cynic would say well
you know I game over that's it you know we're screwed were toast they've they've
been lying to us they've been gaming us they on the system
head you know let's just go got have a drink eat drink and be merry
because tomorrow we're also going to be slaves and
an optimist would say okay a realist an optimist
which I think I am both would say yeah that's true
you know I don't know but your story with lee oswald but it is true that we
have been lied to
a lot by our government that we are continually being lied to by our
government
and buyer corporations and buyer billionaires and buyer politicians
sometimes we're told the truth sometimes good stuff happens sometimes bad stuff
happens
but all love that we need to look at with a clear I
and and ask ourselves every single day the question
what can I do to make this a better world and then do it
and that's how r that's where cynics don't take that next step and that's why
I would not call my Sarkozy information about what to do
about what's happened okay let me get a great starting point um
this is one of my favorites if you have early access to the internet go to move
to
Amanda .org over 500 communities including some twenty states now I
believe
have passed a resolution saying we need to amend the United States Constitution
to say the corporations don't have the rights
of persons under the under the bill of rights and that and the billionaires
cannot use their money as if it was free speech
it does these are doctrines that were completely invented by the Supreme Court
and that have largely led to the takeover over government that you're
describing
if we can if we the people can pass this and we can do it without the federal
government even being involved if we get enough States
you know if enough people active in enough states if we can pass this
this constitutional amendment week and we're all the United States back to the
progressive era and we can start making really significant changes
and there is a huge national movement to make this happen
I wrote a book about it called called the on equal protection but there's
other other good ones out there as well that's one starting point there are
other great organizations out there they're doing what they can but Mr tim
carpenter's group
progressive Democrats America PDA they're they're not affiliate with
Democratic Party
at all they stand on the outside they push democrats as hard as they can to be
progresses and they work to get progress is elected in primaries
and to help people have goodwill infiltrate the Democratic Party
I'd love to see people good will infiltrate she's in the republican party
as well
but you know if we just sit around and wring our hands
this country will go down the tubes we have to do something Catherine and there
are no
and tana if nothing else just show up at your local Democratic Party and say I
wanna volunteer
I wanna be I want to be the voice inside who is going to be speaking truth to
power rather than the person on the outside was just complaining about being
helpless