Okay, So as the weeks go on, we are slowly getting more and more DCU updates
and the Rock has now
finally broken his silence about what's happening with Black Adam.
He released a statement last night talking about the conclusion
of his meeting with James Gunn.
And it doesn't sound too good.
Black Adam, of course, released back at the end of October,
and it had a big post-credits scene with Henry Cavill returning.
In the aftermath of it, Dwayne started hyping up a black Adam vs Superman movie,
but those plans went down the drain when Cavill was kicked to the curb.
James Gunn has got a lot of backlash for it,
with pretty much everyone kicking off that Cavill is now gone.
Because of this, it seemed inevitable that the Rock was out too,
and by the sounds of it, he pretty much is.
Throughout this video, we're going to be breaking down his statement
and also going over our thoughts on what it means for the future of the DCU.
And I'm doing a lot of DC videos at the moment,
but I actually put out a poll last night on Twitter asking whether
I should cover this on the Across the Spider-Verse poster today.
And the people have spoken.
So blame yourself, you idiot.
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Now, unlike most videos where I read out the whole statement
and then talk about it at the end.
I think I'm just going to respond to what was said in a bit by bit.
Anyway, the rock statement goes a little something like this,
my passionate friends.
Well, at least buy me dinner first.
I wanted to give a long awaited
Black Adam update regarding the characters feature in the new DC Universe.
James Gunn and I connected and Black Adam
will not be in that first chapter of storytelling.
However, DC and seven books have agreed to continue exploring the most valuable
ways that Black Adam can be utilized in future DC Multiverse chapters.
Now, I think this is quite an important chapter,
and though a lot of people are saying that the rock is out.
I actually think this kind of states the opposite.
However, I don't think it's a guarantee and there's a number of things going on
with what he says here.
Now, just a lesson in life may, just a lesson
If you're ever in a corporate setting like a job interview
or you're asking your boss something and you've been rejected from something
and you follow up and go, well,
we'll kind of have like an extra days holiday or something.
If they then say, I can try.
Or Yeah, I'll try and get that done.
Then that person has absolutely no intention of doing it
and they're just saying it to shut you up and basically getting used to the idea
that it might not happen so that you don't complain when it doesn't.
They've already knocked you down
and then just saying, yeah, I'll try to at least make you feel
like you've achieved something, but you haven't.
That's the kind of feeling I get with these constant statements,
and there's been a number of them
that have talked about how the movies and characters have been shut down,
but that DC is going to try and do something with them in the future.
Now the multiverse thing can really go one of two ways.
Either Gunn's plan is that they do a reboot of the universe
and then slowly belt towards an event like Crisis on Infinite Earths
that has everyone come back or and this is a big
or they try this stuff with the new people and if it doesn't work out,
they could just say, forget a multiverse, the entire thing.
This means that they can bring the characters back and at least
try and salvage what was working from time to time before.
Again, they'd say that you plan on working with Henry in the future, and
maybe the crisis could save DC from being in the crisis that it's in now.
Now, personally, I'm leaning more towards the latter
because I don't see why they'd reboot the entire universe and throw
everyone out if they weren't planning on that being successful.
I feel like the old DCU will very much be the Plan B for this
if it doesn't work out and then they'll find a way to bring them back
if Gunn's plan doesn't work.
Kind of mental that the rock spent 15 years of his life trying to get black.
Adam made and he got potentially fired two months after its
release like it was released on the 21st of October.
And it's now the 21st of December.
It's a mental.
Anyway, he continues to say, James and I have known each other
for years and have always wanted for each other to succeed.
It's no different now and I will always root for DC
and Marvel to win and win big.
Now I have seen a lot of focus on this Marvel comment and it might hint at him
switching sides to the place that doesn't constantly tell the fans they're chumps.
I think now it's basically him just saying
that he wants both studios to win because he loves comic book movies.
Might be him basically doing that thing though, where you throw a little shot
at your ex by posting a status about how you've been looking at another girl.
But moving on.
You guys know me and I have very thick skin
and you can always count on me to be direct with my words.
These decisions made by James and DC leadership
represent their vision of DCU through their creative lens.
After 15 years of relentless hard work to finally make Black Adam,
I am very proud of the film we delivered for fans worldwide.
I will always look back on fan reaction to Black
Adam with tremendous gratitude, humility and love.
We did great, and it's me to my very passionate
and vocal black Adam slash superhero genre fans.
I love you.
Thank you.
And I will always listen to you and do my best to deliver and entertain you.
What a hell of a month.
Now we need some teremana.
Teremana is basically tequila,
which you probably don't need to have a productive week.
And happy holidays to you and your families.
Be our kindness.
Sounds like they just took him into a room.
Had Henry Cavill walk out and tell him it's all about one of these days.
Yeah, I'd love it if a celebrity just came out was like, James Gunn's an idiot.
Shouldn't he be kicked out?
Is universe is good? Terrible.
But they're not.
But they're not going to do that because of nice guys.
James Gunn then replied to this by saying Love at the Rock,
and I'm always excited to see what he and seven bucks do next.
Can't wait to collaborate soon.
So doing the whole teasing the future thing and who knows?
Gunn might
want to get his universe established and then bring them back again, though
I don't see why he'd do that unless your stuff isn't working.
Now, going to put out numerous Twitter threads and there was one
the other day that dropped after there were several reports
that all the big names were out, but that he was keeping the suicide squad
and peacemaker cast this rough people the wrong way, including me,
because it seemed like
he was just keeping his own stuff and getting rid of everyone else.
I've always said that, though I don't want a DC reboot.
I think that if they're looking to reboot then they need to reboot the entire thing
because then you just going to have ties
to the old stuff that you apparently don't want.
This stuff is all still linked and it'll end up
becoming even more confusing if they don't just sever ties.
For example, the Justice League Shut up at the end of Peacemaker.
Peacemaker was in Suicide Squad or this or the suicide Squad where
whatever it is that had Harley Quinn, Waller and Rick Flag
who were in the previous Suicide Squad movie, that movie came off
the back of Superman's death, MBBS and it had Affleck in the Flash in it.
So it tied in with BBC, which tied in with Man of Steel.
And therefore it's kind of like, Yeah, this stuff is really confusing
if you only say that peacemaker and Suicide Squad are the kind of now.
James Gunn has said that he will be keeping
what works and getting rid of what doesn't.
So his stuff, according to him.
I've gotten so many bloody Twitter arguments over the last couple of days
with people saying that Gunn's stuff is the only things that have done well
and that critically it makes sense to focus on his things.
However, when you compare the scores to the other DCU,
movies are probably gang wiped, then they are about the same.
Plus, those movies actually made money as well, with Aquaman being $1,000,000,000
franchise and Wonder Woman making 822 million.
Even in the case of Wonder Woman, 1984 and Suicide Squad,
they both made about the same amount of money, too.
Both were released on HBO.
Max Day one, but 84 had a lot of countries in lockdown
due to it being dropped over Christmas on HBO. Max.
Suicide Squad got 4.2 million viewers, though,
whereas Wonder Woman 1984 got 14 million,
which is quite a big difference, according to Sam tbh.
Peacemaker got 638,000 viewers in its first four days.
And if we compare that to She-Hulk that got 5.74 million.
Now, like Suicide Squad and Peacemaker.
But I don't think the argument said that only Gunn's stuff is successful.
And again, if you're going to get rid of that stuff,
you have to get rid of everything and start again.
In my opinion, we can all bring our opinions into this stuff.
But looking at the numbers, they don't lie.
And that's them in black and white.
Anyway, in reaction to people kicking off, Gunn put out this.
One of the things Peter and I were aware of when we took the jobs as heads of DC
Studios was a certain minority of people online that could be,
well, uproarious and unkind, to say the least.
I dunno.
Henry Cavill fans are the minority, but our choices for
the Dceu are based upon what we believe is best for the story
and best for the DC characters who have been around for nearly 85 years.
Perhaps these choices are great, perhaps not so coveted, but they are made
with sincere hearts and integrity and always with this story in mind.
No one loves to be harassed, called names.
But to be frank, we've been through significantly worse.
Disrespectful outcry will never, ever affect actions.
We were aware there would be a period of turbulence
when we took this gig and we knew that we would sometimes
have to make difficult and not so obvious choices,
especially in the wake of the fracture as nature of what's come before us.
But this means little to us in comparison to our jobs as artists and custodians
and helping to create a wider and wonderful future for DC.
Now, Gunn was then asked about whether the stuff
about Suicide Squad gang cap was true, and he said, I keep seeing post
with his untrue theory by now requesting everyone
to accept the suicide squad so it could be taken one of two ways.
Either the suicide squad is also completely recast
or there are other parts of the DCU that haven't been recast either.
Gal Gadot still hasn't said anything.
She posted it, posted a picture of herself in an orange top.
But we don't want that.
We want a big paragraph of text on a black background
letting us know what's happening.
And I do think that, you know, even though she's posted this,
I do think that the next person to issue a statement will be her.
I imagine that if the Flash, Aquaman and Shazam two hadn't had so much money
put into them that they probably be announced as being out by now.
But she knows what they're doing
and they have cameos with Cavill in Black in those upcoming movies as well.
So I think that they're going to be all out.
Gunn did say that Gal was impressed, but again, it could be open to interpretation.
I mean, they gave her the whole, Oh, mate, we'll bring you back
May just need to ask my mom if he can come round for tea.
Honestly, I'll invite you to my birthday party.
We can be best mates will bring you back.
Which is making other movies without Gunn is also stated
that they're still doing Elseworlds stories.
And though this could just be stuff like the Batman to and Joker two,
they might might bring some of these actors back for other stuff.
Token Black Adam with Superman Pretty Make It Now Robert May Banner
and Christian Hall
have actually brought up some great points when talking about the whole thing.
I think it really sums up the situation and actually adds some stuff
to all of our talk.
What do you think about
how do you interpret James Gunn's tweet here
and is it going to be a complete clean slate?
Is it going to be a clean slate? Sort of.
But they're going to bring some pieces over. What do you take at this point?
Well, I would say first you have to look at I mean, this is a business.
It's all about what has made money, Aquaman.
I would look to Aquaman and go, okay, Aquaman made $1,000,000,000.
They have Aquaman, The Lost Kingdom, which, by the way, was finished
a long time ago.
They're deep, deep, deep into the post in that movie.
They know if it's great or not.
Well, if it looks to be as great as the first movie,
why would you get rid of $1,000,000,000 franchise?
I mean, if the movie reboot or not, from a studio perspective,
you've already reached that billion dollar level with the first movie.
There's no reason to suspect if the next movie is great.
It's also James Wan and Peter Safran producing.
Why would a producer want to get rid of that franchise,
especially if they're looking at it going, Great, let's make a third one.
You know, so I could absolutely see and we've already had Jason Momoa say
thank you, James, because everyone's like, Oh, he's going to play Lobo.
I would say the James Gunn's don't
know, we're going to finish your Aquaman trilogy.
We're going to we're going to finish that.
We're going to give you that Aquaman movie and then maybe you'll be Blow Go.
Who knows?
Because why would you dump that?
And I would even say this, John,
as as much as
Wonder Woman 84 was I hated it.
And it obviously didn't do well.
The first one did well. 800 was great.
If so, they didn't like Patty Jenkins.
Her take on it.
But remember, she didn't even develop the first armor.
I mean, the first Wonder Woman, she stepped in and took over.
So, Gal Gadot, people like Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman, maybe they have plans.
Do they?
Well, yeah.
I mean, I would say the first one was Joe majority of people.
But, but I would say I would, I would say
look and also peacemaker you know they're getting that season two
so in addition to the DC reboot
will happen with Superman as we know, James Gunn's writing it, but
that reboot might come at the end of 2024 or even the beginning of 2025.
They might just say Reboot, time is 2025.
We're going to get another Aquaman in, We're going to get another Wonder
Woman movie and we're getting peacemaker in.
We might even make another Suicide Squad.
So I can't see that happening.
I mean, I don't know if they're going to do all of it,
but why would you get rid of Aquaman?
Because it's part of a bigger machine that's not working.
But that worked that one man. Yeah.
So I'm asking you.
Do you do you pump the brakes on the entire operation?
That is not working because one piece is working.
I don't. Know.
Well, same argument can be made for Henry Cavill
because everybody made me Man of Steel itself.
I mean, you and I both really love Man of Steel right now.
All three, all three of us love them.
But but the thing with Man of Steel,
the difference with Henry Cavill is that even though that movie made,
let's say, a disappointing 500 million, which is still a good number,
buy the ill will that from a lot of people
from getting rid of him already it has done if you're going to make a move
like that, you got to make a move all in because of you,
because then people are going to go, Well, wait,
I mean, you're keeping Aquaman, but you got Henry Cavill.
Henry Cavill is a piece that was working.
Maybe his movies in Batman and Superman.
He didn't get a chance to shine in the way that he did,
but Henry Cavill was working.
Henry Cavill was the piece that was getting everyone excited.
I still think that
they could have done something inside of like a different timeline
to bring him back.
I understand. I'm with you,
John, in the fact that I think that I'm really bummed that he's gone.
I understand why they made the choice,
but I still think they could have made it work.
But they don't want to go in that direction.
I think that's the same thing with with Patty Jenkins and Aquaman and all that.
So some really great points there.
And I think they could
potentially set a date for the reboot and wrap some of this stuff up.
I've always said I wish they'd done a movie to kind of close things off
rather than just doing what they're doing, which is announcing stuff on Twitter.
I know the Fox X-Men universe gets a lot of hate,
but they actually managed to reboot and recast Wilde's continuing Wolverine
solo movies and having a send off by the older characters.
They did all that in the universe so that fans wouldn't be annoyed
and just kind of wish that DC took that strategy to.
Again, I think if they're going to reboot, they need to fully reboot
because there's going to be people who say they want the old stuff back and
it could still technically be in universe because of what we discussed before.
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