my belief situation is complicated you
could call me an atheist but that's not
quite right there may be a creator but
he doesn't need to be a conscious being
i like to touch and feel things i need
to see something
okay but as we know that the material
did not exist before the big bang so how
can you say that so the big bang started
it then is there any other option
but just because there isn't any proof
doesn't mean that we're going to give up
on trying to prove it
this is the point we don't agree on what
is it your reasoning pushes you there my
opinion is that it will be proven in the
future so you say it will be proven in
the future
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so what is your belief my belief
situation is complicated i don't have a
belief i believe in myself you believe
in yourself what i mean by believing in
myself is that i'm kind of an atheist
but not really there could be a creator
but he doesn't need to be a conscious
being okay so you were a muslim before
did you change your mind what happened
well to tell you the truth i have read
all molly his commentary yes a
commentary on molly's commentary very
nice did you read all of it i read half
of it and i'll tell you why later i also
read one by the directorate of religious
affairs nice i had the pdf so i read
that and it seemed kind of well it had a
very angry time so you read the
commentary but it didn't really convince
you i read the commentary and i felt
anger inside of it there are verses
about the hell and warning verses the
person warning you is constantly very
angry but you haven't read the whole
thing how can you evaluate holy without
reading the whole there were 750 pages i
calculated that i had read 375 but i was
in a difficult period and i'm also
getting prepared for an exam i read it
during the summer and felt that this was
too much negativity for me so you might
have come across different things if you
had read the other half i've read the
commentary many times for example i can
say this you mentioned that there were
verses including warnings but there are
twice as many verses mentioning mercy
and forgiveness now let's think about an
example you know when you're traveling
in a car you see numbers like 170 50 on
the side of the road the warning signs
telling you to slow down does the fact
that there are many warnings mean that
there is a bad intention behind them or
does it prove that someone is trying to
prevent us from having an accident as a
result of his mercy for us does he want
bad things or good things for us i don't
know it depends we can talk about this
about islam in the quran but first let's
talk about the possibility of a creator
does he exist or not we need to evaluate
things rationally with reason and from a
scientific perspective yes for example
cern the cern experiment exactly they
discovered a large two-dimensional
particle they're trying to i heard they
discovered it so how could it transform
from two dimensions to three dimensions
well some claim it's a game theory they
also have this idea of a machine a
quantum machine so i thought could that
be the creator why not they're doing
things for example do you know what
they're trying to find they're doing
research about the higgs boson they're
looking into the issue of energy gaining
max they actually call it the god
particle actually initially they called
it the goddamn particle they're not
changing its name to keep it on the
agenda so they're doing research on the
ability to gain energy and gain mass
that's what they're looking into great
i'm the kind of person who needs to
touch and feel something i need to see
it why isn't it easy my friend i'm going
to prove this to you with a very simple
example we have both a material eye and
an eye of reason what do i mean by this
your material eye only sees what is
there but your reason does not see or
evaluate it your eye of reason evaluates
what it sees and comes to a conclusion
for example when you look at the sun
with your material eye what color is it
yellow you can see that it is yellow our
material eye says that the sun is yellow
but what is its real color science says
it is white our mind makes calculations
and considers the rays so your eye of
reason reaches a conclusion after
considering the sun's rays but when our
eye of reason steps in it says hold on
we need to account for refractions the
actual color is white and thus it finds
the truth so now we are going to think
about another example and a truth
imagine that you entered a room okay you
look around there's a two-month-old baby
the baby's sitting in front of a
computer you see a program like gta 5 on
the screen there's an amazing code
displayed on the screen but the person
sitting in front of it is a
two-month-old baby so now your eyes tell
you that the baby wrote the program but
your eye of reason says a baby can't do
this why would i believe what my eyes
say if i look at the baby and he's
holding his hands like this then i would
say he did it but do you know why i'm
saying this because there's no one else
in the room only the baby in the
computer there's a program as
complicated as gta 5 displayed on the
computer screen and the baby's in front
of it your eyes say oh the baby did it
but your eye of reason says hold on a
two-month-old baby cannot do this this
is not really telling you this at that
point the information they're giving you
is there's a baby in front of the
computer the reason your eyes tell you
the baby wrote that gta program is
because your brain is telling you this
would your reason say this would your
reason say that the baby did it or would
it say wait a minute it can't be the
baby there must be someone else behind
this what kind of characteristics should
he have he should be knowledgeable in
living he must have a will and power in
fact let's do this let's make it a doll
instead of a two-month-old baby a
lifeless toy is just sitting in front of
a computer then would we even need to
talk about any possibilities rather even
someone with knowledge could barely do
this how could a lifeless thing do it
then the eye of reason would say no this
toy doll could not do this even though i
can't see him there must be someone else
here this person must have serious
programming skills he must be alive and
have knowledge will and power this is
what your reason says and so is gta 5 a
higher quality and more complicated work
of art than the universe with everything
that lives in it like you and me and
millions of species of living creatures
or is this a better work of art which is
a better work of art life is better and
if life is better there must be a will
behind its creation i'll get to the
point i know where you're going with
this good i look at my eyes and i think
they're a better work of art than gta 5
and even gta 5 has a human mind behind
it the universe that we humans live in
is undoubtedly a more perfect and
beautiful work of art so if we say that
the baby could not have written that
program then how can we say that there
isn't a creator of this universe and the
people living in it such as you and i do
my eyes tell me that the universe is
made up of atoms yes but are these adam
living things no no so atoms who do not
possess life knowledge will or power
have come together to produce people
like you and i how can we say that adams
wrote the program for living creatures
like you and me who are much better work
of art than gta5 is this logical or
should i say brother hold on a minute a
non-living atom cannot do this there
must be some kind of being with life
knowledge will and power behind this
even if i can't see him see i didn't
even say god yet we'll come to that
later isn't it more likely that there is
a being that possesses these qualities
regardless of what you name it like x or
y etc for me to accept such a being but
it's not logical that that being exists
how isn't it logical if it wasn't for
that being how would all these things
come to be everything just fell into
place they just fell into place okay
it's not highly likely but unlikely
things do happen in the universe we
haven't even started talking about any
possibilities yet you need data to be
able to talk about possibilities without
data we can't talk about possibilities
for example why isn't there any data
because if we don't accept a being who
started all these things there's no need
to talk about data well there were atoms
and there was a big explosion yes the
big bang after the explosion the
universe started expanding okay the
universe has energy all right you know
this better than i yes so there wasn't
enough organic material on earth and i
know that atoms come to earth because of
meteor storms and water was formed after
that what is needed for water to form
h2o right i know it also needs energy
before we talk about this let's go back
even further if you don't accept a
creator then how can all of this happen
if there's no being then how can
existence come from non-existence i
would need a lot of knowledge to be able
to answer that when did materials form
when did materials was it during the big
bang okay but if there were no materials
before the big bang then how is it
possible so the big bang pushed it then
is there any other option there must be
another answer why wouldn't there be
like what well there's the anti-matter
theory so you're saying it's a question
of anti-matter matter okay i'm not an
expert on the topic so isn't this like
say man just let it go they know what
they're talking about no we don't say
they know better and give up you're a
clever guy you've already stated a fact
you said the baby could not have done
this what else is there to say
okay there isn't any proof as to how
life was created on earth you're right
there but just because there is no proof
now doesn't mean that we will stop
trying to find a proof i'll give you an
example now that will eliminate any
possibilities i have a sphere in my hand
okay it has 100 white tennis balls in it
what's the chances of me pulling a ball
with one on it out of these balls that
are numbered from 1 to
one in a hundred okay so i choose one
what's the possibility that i get a red
one that's impossible that's impossible
but if i tried for a trillion years
would anything change
it wouldn't right exactly why because
there are no red balls in there just so
let's think of those red and white balls
as atoms because those atoms are not
living things and no matter how much you
try you will not choose a ball that is
red you will never get a ball that is a
living thing in your example the atoms
have not come together to form life that
happens when the being you mentioned is
involved absolutely is there any other
way is there tell me if there is if
there was a kind of electrical force
within the organic matter what is the
organic matter carbon azo oxygen
fluorine do they possess life they don't
but if there were something to bring
these together something to organize
them there still wouldn't be life some
kind of emergency remember this fear
there are no red balls in this sphere
whatever atom you look at there is no
sign of life so in this case there is no
room for possibilities here there needs
to be a being that has a red ball that
has life and can give life what i'm
trying to say is when you think about a
non-living being becoming a living being
science is at work but there is also
room for logic this is where we differ
where your rationale shapes your
perspective you interpret the balls
turning from white to red as the work of
a being that's how you see it how do you
interpret this because i don't see any
other way exactly you don't see any
other options so
what i'm saying is that the other option
is and i've said this a hundred times
before you say something must have
happened exactly something must have
happened i wish i had enough scientific
background to be able to discuss this
with you further but i don't my friend i
have discussed this with many people and
believe me there is no answer like i
said you should use your own logic
instead of talking to other people look
at the data and try to come to a
conclusion but you can't get there your
logic doesn't get you there because even
when you look at the data you can't
reach a provable conclusion you used
your own logic right but you accepted it
in the beginning right you said a toy
does not possess any life or knowledge
can't write this gta 5 program think as
much as you like or don't think at all
it's very clear so what i did there was
to interpret what my eyes showed me in a
logical way okay so your eyes can be
tricked but your eye of reason says no
it can't do it brother but the case here
is not so simple there are more
possibilities even better let go of the
possibilities i just said that there is
no room for possibilities look the life
is perfect according to me and you even
if it wasn't is there something there if
something has been created we need to
ask who created it
so if there's something there we're
asking who made it whether you like gta
5 or not i'm talking about the
properties and capabilities of the being
who must have created it whether you
like gta 5 or not the point is that the
baby could not have written it but the
world is not gta 5 it's even better than
that there is a programmer there so then
the world was programmed by so what's
your point then do you claim that the
atoms did it or is there a being who did
it or are you going to say that it's the
atoms the point i'm making is this even
though it's a low possibility somehow
there must have been a transformation
from non-living to living and i know
that i'm not speaking very
scientifically right now but this is my
opinion i believe this can be proven in
the future so you can say it can be
proven in the future thank you very much
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