(phone ringing)
- [Taylor] Hello? - Hey Taylor, it's GaryVee.
You're on The #AskGaryVee Show.
- [Taylor] No way!
- Yes way. - [Taylor] Holy crap.
Okay.
- Where are you from? - [Taylor] Yeah, sweet.
I'm from Buffalo, New York.
- I love it, are you a Bills fan?
(Taylor sighs)
- [Taylor] Unfortunately yes.
- I know you said unfortunately cause you're trying--
- [Taylor] We're not doing good.
- Well listen, neither are the Jets, don't worry.
So what's going on?
(Taylor laughs)
- [Taylor] Nothing much.
I basically was just dying to ask you a question.
Currently graduated college last May
and I'm trying to build my own business,
brand, hustle, all that kinda stuff.
My question for you is, and I'm probably sure
that a lot of people ask this
- It's okay. - [Taylor] The same things.
- It's okay.
- [Taylor] How do you get over
the stump of you're graduating, and you feel
all this pressure 'cause you're trying
to build something but you're still so young.
But you wanna do the stuff and grow it big.
I'm just in a rut and I can't get out of it.
But I have a hustle and a drive
that I know I'll be able to build something.
But I'm just in this space that's not--
- I know where you're at.
- [Taylor] That's not allowing me to.
- Let me help you.
The space you're in is
probably the macro, micro issue.
So it's macro patience, micro speed, right?
- [Taylor] Yeah. - so What do I mean by that?
You need to be patient as fuck, Taylor.
You're 22, 23-years-old.
Like what do you think is gonna happen overnight?
- [Taylor] Yeah, I know.
- so You need to be fast.
7 A.M. to two in the morning every day.
But in the big picture, you need to realize nothing good
is gonna happen for the next six years.
- [Taylor] Okay.
Do you think that I should just
try every good idea that I think
I have and just go for it all out?
Or do you think I should stick with one thing at a time?
- I think the fact that you even
asked that question, that you should
taste flirting with a lot of different things
because you'll be crippled by the "what if" if you don't.
Even though that's not the perfect
formula to build the biggest short term wealth
because you should triple down on one thing
instead of being half pregnant on nine.
- [Taylor] Okay, I like that.
- Taylor, let me tell you something.
Let me ask you, the pressure, who do you?
Like are you trying to prove to yourself,
to your siblings, to your parents, to the world?
Like Who you're trying to prove that
you're successful to, or that this
was the right call, or you're gonna make it?
That's what you have to figure out.
- [Taylor] Hmm, that's a good question.
- Like, what are you impatient for?
Like, what's the problem?
You wanna buy a fuckin Rolex?
What's the rush?
- [Taylor] I feel like I've known
that I'm meant to do something big.
- Me too. - [Taylor] And I grew up in
an entrepreneurial household. - Me too.
- [Taylor] So it's in my blood,
it's in my bones. - Good.
- [Taylor] I feel like I watch
all these other Millennials hitting
these huge I guess milestones in their life--
- What milestones?
- [Taylor] Then I'm sitting here.
- Let's break it down. How old are you?
- [Taylor] I'm 22, about to be 23.
- Okay, what milestone, please give
me a Millennial and the milestone
they achieved that makes you feel
like you're just sitting in fucking Buffalo?
- [Taylor] Well, I'm sitting in Buffalo,
which is one thing I'm not happy about.
But-- - That's right 'cause
it's home of the Buffalo Bills, piece of shit team.
- [Taylor] Yeah. (laughs)
- But before you go there, forget about sitting in Buffalo,
who's the Millennial and what's the milestone
that's making you feel like you're sitting there?
Go.
The truth, go.
- [Taylor] Well. honestly there's people
on social media which definitely
is not always true-- - Who?
- [Taylor] But I watch, oh god, the only thing
on the spot I can think of is Kardashian
or Jenner which is lame, but... (laughing)
- Can we talk about this please?
- [Taylor] Yeah, I feel like, sure.
- Like you're telling me that Kylie Jenner's fucking
trillion followers on Instagram
makes you feel like you're just sitting there?
- [Taylor] No, I feel like the fact
that she's already got a business
started that's super successful,
obviously that comes with her fame.
- Did you factor in the fact that
her sisters and mom architected
something for 10 years while she was a teenager that she
was able to walk directly into, that gave her a springboard?
That she had the financial capabilities
of deploying ungodly amounts of plastic surgery,
and all the other variable things that she's been able
to do to create that culture, and that financial benefit?
- [Taylor] Yeah.
- Did you factor in that her mom
is a ninja architect of business and created that framework?
- [Taylor] Yeah and I feel like
not many people give them the credit for that.
- I agree. - [Taylor] I totally think that
they built this empire. - I agree.
But what the fuck does that have to do with you?
- [Taylor] It has nothing to do with me.
I know. - No shit.
Remember how I?
I don't know if you saw this where I said
stop looking at your friends' shit
or whatever the fuck I put on Instagram?
- [Taylor] Yeah.
- I don't know if you saw it
or not but it doesn't matter.
Like you looking at the Kardashians
is the most ludicrous horseshit I've ever heard in my life.
(Taylor laughs)
- [Taylor] Well that's just the first one that can pop into my
when you asked me. - Great.
Listen, we're here, we're here.
Give me another one.
- [Taylor] There's a guy in London.
I can't think of his name
at the top of my head. - I'm gonna stop,
I'm gonna stop you right now.
- [Taylor] Okay.
- Let me give you some, I was gonna say fatherly
I guess my father was 40, now I'll give you some
massively older brother, uncle advice.
You ready? - [Taylor] (laughs) Okay, yes.
- Every second you spend thinking
about what somebody else has is taking
away from time that you could create something for yourself.
- [Taylor] Yeah.
- You're losing.
You're losing 'cause you're laying
in your bed looking at somebody's fucking
glamorous photoshopped picture of them doing something cool.
And you're envious, and you're jealous,
and you're impatient, and it's crippling your upside.
- [Taylor] Yeah 'cause that's where
I wanna be and I know I'm not there yet.
- You haven't done shit.
- [Taylor] I know.
- So go do shit that actually gets you there
so that you earn it instead of like
you dwelling that you're not there
and hoping something's gonna happen.
I don't know what's going through your mind.
- [Taylor] Yeah. Well I guess I'm hustling on the side
but I don't think I'm doing enough, I guess.
- You definitely aren't doing enough
if you have enough time to fucking
consume the content of Kardashian
and some boy in London.
- [Taylor] That's true. (laughs)
- Taylor, listen to me.
Taylor, listen.
You've gotta deploy patience and you gotta love the process.
I'm addicted to the process of the battle scars,
the setbacks, the lack of, you know.
Taylor, I gave up my entire 20s, all of 'em.
Imagine not doing anything fun or going anywhere
for the next eight years, including Saturday and Sunday.
That's what I did from 22 to 30.
Every day I spent 15 hours a day
in a liquor store, thought about a liquor store,
built a liquor store, sold wine.
Like spent every day.
Like this last weekend, don't lie to me Taylor,
what did you do this last weekend?
What did you do fuckin' Saturday and Sunday?
Tell me the truth, don't bullshit me.
- [Taylor] Yeah, no bullshit, I'm helping my
mom right now on digital media and branding for her company.
- Lovely.
- [Taylor] So I had a marketing meeting--
- Lovely. - With one of
the people doing that. - Love you.
- [Taylor] Then I also have coming up--
- How much time did you have for yourself
on Saturday and Sunday that was not working every minute?
Tell me the truth.
- [Taylor] A lot, a lot. - I know.
So that's the punchline, right?
Now imagine this. - Yeah.
- When I tell you this.
You spent more downtime on not your career
this weekend than I did in my entire 20s combined.
- [Taylor] Oh shit, okay.
(Andy chuckling)
That put things into perspective.
- I think so.
- [Taylor] Awesome.
- I think so too.
- [Taylor] Yeah, I need to just get to it.
- Taylor, you need to do me a huge favor.
If you really wanna win and you wanna come
to New York in eight years,
and shake my hand, here's what you need to do.
You need to stop giving a shit
about what anybody else has and realize
that if you put your head down
and just work for the next 10 years,
no glamor, no new fucking car, suitcase,
jewelry, trip, event, no Coachella,
no fucking new fucking sneakers.
Like fuckin' work, you will have it.
Every time you care about one
of the things I just mentioned,
it will slow down your process of having it.
- [Taylor] Okay so in less than eight years
when I'm a millionaire by 25, I'll come shake your hand.
- I promise you that statement
itself made me 100% guarantee that you won't.
- [Taylor] No! - Yes.
Yes, that's how this works.
Being a millionaire at 25 when you're 22,
and you're a dick shit, and haven't even started
is inconceivable unless you fuckin' hit the lotto.
What's the romance? - [Taylor] Hmm, okay.
- What's the romance?
I wanna make, you know how everybody says,
"GaryVee, when are you gonna buy the Jets?
"In two years?" and then I reply 20 years
I'm a romantic about the journey
and the process which is why I'm actually gonna pull it off.
You're trying to be a millionaire by 25.
How, Taylor?
- [Taylor] It's just a goal I've always had.
- Why? - [Taylor] Right now with what
I'm doing I guess it's not.
- That's right, it's an arbitrary
bullshit thing that means nothing.
- [Taylor] Yeah.
- Wouldn't you rather guarantee
millionairship by 36 than
by doing long term marathon running
versus doing a bunch of bullshit sprints
that guarantees never having it?
And I promise you,
a funny thing happens to your self-esteem
when you're 31 and not a millionaire
because you've been chasing fast fucking cash,
and you're now six years removed from not hitting your goal.
Your self-esteem starts fuckin' with your head.
- [Taylor] Mhmmm, yeah.
- Listen carefully. - [Taylor] I agree.
- I wanna buy the New York Jets
but when I clarify it to everybody,
I want the process of trying to buy
the New York Jets more than buying the New York Jets.
Understand?
- [Taylor] Yeah.
'Cause ultimately that's the end goal
but there's a process behind that.
- You have to understand, I don't give
a fuck about the end goal.
I care about the process, the enjoyment of doing it.
You're not enjoying yourself trying
to get to a million bucks over the next three years.
- [Taylor] No. (laughs)
You're right.
- Oh I know I'm right.
I'm just sticking on this right now
because I feel like we've gone into this deep enough
that I might as well hold on for a couple more minutes
to see if I can actually pull you through
instead of you just being on this high
of practicality for 36 hours, and then going back
to Instagram bullshit in 48 hours.
- [Taylor] I'm gonna deactivate that shit. (laughs)
- No, you need to learn to discipline,
to be able to put it in the proper bucket.
- [Taylor] Yeah.
I just feel like I hold myself
at this pedestal only it's crippling myself
'cause I'm not actually doing the things to get there.
- Of course, so you're playing a fake narrative
instead of putting in the actual work
that's needed to actually pull it off.
Wishing instead of executing.
Then what's happen is you're living
a fake world to yourself, but you know it,
which then changes your behavior
in the way you interact with others.
- [Taylor] That's true.
- I know.
Like for all my bravado now, I was real quiet in my 20s.
People made fun of me, like, "You work
"in your dad's liquor store?
"I'm on Wall Street making a 100,000.
"I got a BMW."
I'm like, "That's nice, Pat."
- [Taylor] Yeah.
- Do you understand the level
of disrespect I have for Pat?
Do you understand the level
of disrespect I have for all those
20, 30, 40, 50-year-olds flashing shit
on fuckin' Instagram with short term moves?
I can't wait for the fucking world to melt.
I can't wait for all these bullshit people
to get fuckin' hosed out when the economy gets shit.
- [Taylor] Yeah it's 'cause they're short term
affording these things that are flashy
but in the long term, it's not sustainable
for what they're doing right now.
- Yeah but meanwhile, you're admiring the fuck out of them.
- [Taylor] I know, it's a problem.
- No shit, Taylor. - [Taylor] It's really bad.
- Taylor, you need to start lovin' the process,
and the work, and the grind.
You need to start respecting people
that are like sleeping with like four roommates
and buying their t-shirts at Walmart.
- [Taylor] Yeah, you know what?
I feel like I need that wake up.
But I feel like I need to hit
rock bottom and have that wake up.
I'm too comfortable right now.
It's annoying the shit out of me.
- I don't think so.
I think you're saying you need
to hit rock bottom because it buys
you more time to bullshit like you are right now.
- [Taylor] Hmm, I never thought of that.
- You know what I mean?
Like you know it's not working.
You're just saying, by the way,
let me go complete left field on you.
You're a 22-year-old girl, woman.
Like it's okay to enjoy a little bit now too.
You've heard me say regrets, I don't know
how deep you know my content, but once
in a blue moon when people ask me
the advice for 25-year-old Gary,
the answer is go have fun, asshole.
It would've been okay to go to Vegas,
or Acapulco, or like do some dumb shit.
Do you know what I mean?
- [Taylor] Yeah.
I think I've had my fun in college though
and now I feel like it's time to work.
- No, no.
That's the bullshit PR version Taylor.
The reality Taylor is still fuckin' in that zone.
- [Taylor] Hmm.
Yeah.
- Don't beat yourself up.
Don't hold yourself accountable
to arbitrary bullshit fantasies.
Just put in work and enjoy that.
Enjoy eating shit, and dirt, and bleeding,
and the grind, and don't give a fuck
about what anybody else thinks,
why you haven't done it, why are you doing that.
Have four jobs.
Fuckin' Wendys, Walmart, your side hustle.
Work, train, learn.
Don't think you're a digital expert
just because you're 22 and you have an Instagram account.
Show me how much fuckin' shit you've sold
with your digital social media skills.
- [Taylor] Okay.
- Do you understand?
- [Taylor] No, I do. Yeah.
- You're just completely in the wrong game
and I'm holding you onto this because you and 99%
of the people that are watching are playing the same game.
- [Taylor] I know which is why
I wanted to ask the question.
- But you're look-- - [Taylor] I can't--
- But you're-- - [Taylor] I'm obviously
not the only one.
- No, you're the majority and the massive majority.
The question is, you just need to understand the following.
You can trick losers, you're not tricking me.
- [Taylor] Good 'cause I want honest answers.
- You don't need my honest answer.
You know you're not tricking yourself either.
None of us are tricking ourselves.
- [Taylor] No. - I just wanna remind you
that you might be able to trick
your Uncle Hal, and you might be able to trick
your girlfriend that was in your fucking college with you.
But you're not tricking a winner when you're bullshitting.
Got it? - [Taylor] Got it.
- So even if you're posturing, and pandering,
and PR-ing yourself, no winner thinks you're winning.
- [Taylor] Yeah, 'cause I'm not. - I know.
Work.
That's the answer to all these questions.
- [Taylor] Got it. - Work, learn things,
do stuff, try to sell shit, learn how to make money.
Work.
- [Taylor] Alright, I will.
- Was this good?
- [Taylor] Awesome. Thank you so much.
- Can you do me a huge favor? - [Taylor] Yeah.
- Can you email me in 30 days, and don't bullshit me,
what's your Twitter handle or Instagram?
- [Taylor] I don't-- - What's your
Instagram handle? - That's fine.
- [Taylor] Instagram, it's @TheFabulousJourney.
- @TheFabulousJourney.
- [Taylor] Yeah.
- Me, and my whole team, and the entire
VaynerNation is watching.
- [Taylor] Oh shit, okay.
Got it.
- I'm gonna smoke you out of your bullshit.
- [Taylor] (laughs) Okay.
- Everybody's watching.
- [Taylor] Okay, I got it.
- Do you understand?
- [Taylor] Yeah.
- I like your blue dress.
- [Taylor] (laughs) Thank you, I got it on sale.
- I like that answer.
That's the best thing you said all fuckin' day.
That's the best thing you said this whole time.
Listen, slow and steady wins the race.
You're only competing with yourself.
- [Taylor] Okay.
- Got it?
- [Taylor] Got it.
- Nobody else defines you.
Not me, not everybody watching,
not your mom, not the fucking Kardashians, you.
- [Taylor] Got it.
- You can grind and be patient for 10 years
everyday and still be nine years younger than me
and I would trade places with you.
That's how amazing having time on your side is.
- [Taylor] Yeah, time's everything.
- So use it.
- [Taylor] I will.
- Good, see ya.
- [Taylor] Thank you - You're welcome.
(sighs)
You keep asking questions,
I'll keep answering them.