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>> Man, growing up, I thought that getting tied up
was going to be a much bigger part of my adult life.
>> You grew up very fast, and I'm not entirely comfortable
with this line of conversation.
>> Have you ever been tied up against your will
or bound against your will?
>> See, again-- >> Actually?
>> Look, you're breaking the fantasy
when you say against your will because--
>> You weren't in Cub Scouts, were you?
>> Consent is important, all right?
Look, you have to create a contract
and then you establish the safe word,
and then that's where the excitement comes from
because you genuinely can't get out
and it's only when they have cont...
All right, Jason Murphy.
Let's keep this short and sweet.
We've been kidnapped, doesn't matter why,
not your business what gambling debts we have.
The important part is that we want to put,
what, spy tools to the test on this?
>> Absolutely.
We want to see if these are actually effective
and how effective they are at escaping some common binds.
>> Yeah, okay.
So these are all things
that you can find over at scamstuff.com.
[rock music]
>> Now, you choose
how you are bound, sir. [Bryan sighs]
Zips or tape?
>> I'll-- >> Just kidding.
You get tape.
>> Well, I wanted zips, that's fine.
>> You know how much of a mess I make with tape.
>> Oh, that's right.
You don't like tape.
>> Maybe you should bind me.
>> Wait, how tape works?
You don't know how tape works?
>> Here, you bind me with the tape.
>> Okay, all right, all right.
[Jason hums]
There you go.
We'll keep it easy.
>> Okay. >> There we go.
Just imagine that times a lot.
You want the nickel knife or the 50 cent covert knife?
>> Come on.
>> They're both knives that are hidden as money.
>> But clearly, one of them is more effective than the other
because it's 45 cents more.
>> Yes, but also more suspicious.
You don't think that they're going to steal.
Nobody's going to look at a nickel
and say, oh, I need that nickel.
Let me take that, sir.
But if you take 50 cents,
they're like, that's halfway to a soft taco,
and then they're going to take it.
>> You're right.
>> So you wouldn't want this one.
>> Taco money fuels most kidnappers' decisions.
>> All right, here we go.
So you got the nickel knife.
This is a knife hidden inside a nickel.
>> What? >> Yes.
And see if you can figure out how to use it.
>> I can't even get it open.
Is there a switch?
I see that there's.
Ah, ah, ah! >> Ah!
>> God, don't reset the injury counter, Jason.
[Brian laughs]
Not with this.
>> And it's really close to your wrists!
All of a sudden the stakes just went way up! [laughs]
Do you have this?
>> I don't know, man.
Okay, so I got to somehow get this blade right here,
tiny little blade.
>> I tell you, I think the knee thing might work.
You got to get that tight.
[gasps] Is it working?
>> No.
>> But I hear the--
>> Yeah, that was all me. >> That was your strength?
>> Yeah.
>> Try the teeth.
[country rock music]
Ooh! >> How sharp is it?
It's in my mouth.
>> It's a blade!
[country rock music]
How's that feel?
>> Like it's not working.
>> You wedged it in here.
>> Jason: Okay, yeah.
>> Be so careful.
>> Jason: I am.
>> Brian: Ooh, whoa!
>> Yeah, I know, it's not wedged in enough.
>> In my mind, I would imagine it
going to go chip, chip, chip.
>> I can't quite reach.
>> You just have to assume
that you have a friend who can help.
Ooh, now I'm the one stabbing.
There you go.
>> Okay.
>> It certainly cuts very, very easy.
>> Yes, it's good!
It's good.
>> It's just if it's on your wrist,
you got to figure out-- >> Okay, maybe that's good!
>> Okay, hey, yeah, yeah, yeah!
[both cheering]
Success!
>> Yeah.
No, that's very sharp.
I think there are probably maybe easier ways
to get out of it but if you've got that
and you're not worried about cutting yourself
and you're actually in a situation
where you're held captive,
you're probably going to go to town with that, right?
>> Yup, better that than nothing.
Okay, zip tie me up.
Zip tie me up. >> Okay.
[zip tie clattering]
Okay, good? >> Yeah.
There's a knife built into my belt.
They refused me entrance to Disneyland at VidCon.
>> This is a trick, isn't it?
>> Because no.
Oh, you did it very tight.
>> Are we going to educate this?
>> This was a mistake.
[Jason laughs]
Wow!
Having your hands bound really makes a problem.
This is going to have to be another two-person operation.
>> Okay.
>> Remove my belt. [laughs]
I swear, I'm sorry!
>> You did this on purpose!
>> Okay, all right, all right, all right, all right.
[Brian mumbling]
Okay, there we go.
There we go, okay?
>> Okay. >> And then [grunts].
>> Is there a way for you to get it?
>> I don't know that there is.
This is way harder to do on yourself than you would think.
>> Please be careful. [laughs]
>> I know, right?
It's a two-person operation.
Oh dear, hold on.
>> I'm just going to hold it still.
>> Okay, you hold it still.
Okay, yeah, yeah, hold it very still.
[Brian grunting]
[zip tie clicking] Okay.
[Brian grunts]
It was more nerve-racking than I expected.
>> It was very nerve racking.
>> Wow!
None of these are easy.
>> Yeah.
Even if you have the devices on you,
you still got to be able to use 'em.
Let's say your legs and your wrists are bound.
>> Oh, you wouldn't be able to get your legs.
>> Easily. >> And then run away.
>> Exactly, yeah.
Getting your wrists out of there, not real good.
>> Okay, this one, there's no way a single person
can get this.
[rock music]
This is the nickel escape saw.
>> Ah! >> It is a saw filament
that is wrapped around and disguised as two nickels.
>> Oh! >> So it's really, really fun
but I don't know how practical it will be for escape.
Your goal is to pull off the gasket,
loop around the filament, twist it on there,
get the filament on the other one twisted around there,
and now you have two here. >> So you've got two hands.
>> But the problem is you're going to be bound.
Although, I will say for the legs,
you'll be able to saw right through it
and the good news is at that point,
you could saw through the bars of the prison
or the chain link fence that you're in.
I feel like there's no way you're going to be able to do it.
I'm going to bind your feet. >> Okay.
Okay, because we've established
that I can't really do anything
with these with my hands bound.
>> Okay, so here. >> So we can go ahead
and skip past that.
>> All right, here.
Feet together.
[Brian grunting] [tape clattering]
There we go.
So let's say you're able to get your hands free,
you're able to access your pockets,
you got these two nickels,
and let's see if you can figure out
how to put it all together.
>> Well, I'm going to say right now, probably no.
>> Just peel off that gasket,
the gasket is what locks everything in.
It really does feel like some James Bond stuff, dude.
There it is, there it is. >> I see.
>> There it is, there it is!
Now, [grunts]. >> Ooh!
>> There's your filament. >> Oh!
>> Now, undo the thing.
Undo the thing.
Pull it all the way out, all the way out, all the way out.
>> Jason: Oh, oh, oh!
>> Brian: And there's a hook at the end.
>> Jason: Yeah!
>> Okay, hold on, don't tie a knot.
>> Let's make sure that that's--
>> There you go.
This is hopefully of in a scenario
of a person helping you with all this.
You'll loop this and twist it.
So here, I'm going to make a little loop.
>> Jason: Oh, I see.
>> Right?
And then once it's in there,
just twist it around, twist it around,
and pinch it in the middle so that it gets,
there you go, nice and tight, tight, tight, tight.
Yeah!
>> I see. >> Okay?
That's some straight up James Bond stuff, right?
>> Yeah, yeah.
That's good.
Turn around.
>> Nope, nope! [laughs]
Feet out, feet out.
Put it down in between.
I was thinking from the back but that's even better.
Okay, okay, wait, wait.
Slow and steady will cut.
There you go, that's great!
Keep going, keep going.
[smooth jazz music]
Do you hear it sawing through?
>> Jason: Yeah!
>> Don't overdo it, don't overdo it, 'cause it'll snap.
It's real brittle.
If you're behind a chain link fence,
it's just going to take a really long time
and you're going to take it easy.
>> Yeah.
You could eventually just chew right through it.
>> This pivoting your doing is going to break it.
>> Oh! >> So keep it like that.
>> Okay.
>> Brian: There you go.
[smooth jazz music]
>> Jason: Welcome to our ASMR channel.
>> Brian: [laughs] You're back to pivoting.
>> Both: Oh!
>> There you go, but it worked!
It worked!
>> And it tore right through my jeans!
>> Oh, goddammit! [Jason laughs]
It sure did!
That's two pairs down.
>> No, this is the same pair!
>> The same jeans
because they have the holes from the explosion!
[Jason laughs]
These are legendary jeans!
[flash bang explodes]
>> Oh! >> Jesus Christ!
>> Man: They're vintage now.
You can sew 'em. >> That's right!
>> Man: Let's keep 'em for another year.
>> Jason: Distressed.
[man laughs] It'll be a Patreon pair.
>> All right, last tool we got to try.
[rock music]
This is one of my all-time favorites.
This is The Rogue's Ring.
Now, theoretically, there are two ways to use it
when it come to zip ties.
One is to use it as a shim
to poke through that little tooth part
and then slide it open.
>> Oh, okay. >> And then the other
is it has a serrated edge to just cut through
but the best part is the entire thing
is hidden in this titanium ring.
So you can see on the outside,
there are a bunch of symbols for Scam's cool tricks,
so if you're trying to think
of what a good Scam's cool trick is, that's there.
But the idea is nobody's going to pull a ring off of you
as they put you in zip ties so I guess zip tie me up.
>> All right.
[zip tie clattering]
>> Yeah, there you go, that's--
>> Good? >> Sure.
Let's say you're a generous and kind kidnapper.
>> That's what they say about me.
>> The nice thing is unlike the belt which is hard to get to
or unlike your pocket which is hard to get to,
your fingers are already here
so you're able to pull off the ring
and then you're able to pull out the escape tool.
This is the exact width
to shim both police-issued handcuffs and also zip ties.
But in this case, we're just going to use that serrated edge.
>> Just to cut through.
>> Yeah.
>> If you can get to it.
>> Ooh yeah, you're not kidding.
That is tough.
[smooth jazz music]
>> Yeah, I think it's too flimsy
for you to really hold against the band.
[smooth jazz music] [zip tie clattering]
>> I think it's slow progress but it's definitely happening.
Unlike the straight blade,
straight blade just screams like I'm about to cut myself.
whereas the saw blade, I feel very comfortable--
>> Way safer. >> The worst thing
I'm going to do is abrade myself a bit.
[smooth jazz music] [zip tie clattering]
All right, so it's halfway down,
I feel like I can brute force it the rest of the way.
But pretty clearly if I kept on going,
we were going to make it. >> You were going to
make it through, yeah.
It's just time-consuming.
>> Oh!
>> Got it!
Yeah! [laughs]
>> All of the bladed solutions made me very nervous.
Whether it was on the zip ties or on the tape,
everything from the belt, to to the nickel saw,
that seemed like just waiting to slice open a vein.
>> Yes, but again, if you're in a situation
where you're legitimately held captive by someone,
you're not really going to worry
about a lot of little cuts to your hands.
>> You're going to take what you could get.
But meanwhile, man, that saw,
both of the saws, whether it's on the leg restraints
or being able to escape through the bars of the door,
this seemed really safe and effective.
And same on this.
The only thing is it's a real pain in the butt
to make it work when your hands are bound.
>> If you can get one of these to work,
what you have to consider
is that you also have a weapon once you're free.
>> Oh yeah.
No, that could slice a throat, for sure.
>> Yeah.
You're not going to do much with this.
>> Yeah, kind of like a rock.
>> [laughs] Kind of.
I'm going to go with this one because it's novel, it's cool,
and with a little bit of precision and patience,
you can get this to work.
>> Yeah, I think I'm too big of a fan
of the social and visibility.
There's something sacred about a wedding ring,
and it doesn't seem like somebody would take it off.
Plus, it keeps the weapon
or the tool exactly where you need it.
Plus also, this is the only one
we were able to make work on our wrists.
>> That's a good point.
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And it tore right through my jeans!
>> Oh, goddammit!
It sure did! [Jason laughs]
That's two pairs down.
>> No, this is the same pair!
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the holes from the explosion!
These are legendary jeans!
[gasps] You have to sell these jeans for so much money.
>> These were my favorite jeans.
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[Jason laughs]