>> There's some stuff happening in Atlanta.
In Atlanta, mega church pastor wants to basically give in to white fragility by rebranding white
privilege to something that's, in his mind less likely to hurt the feelings of his fellow
white Americans.
So, this is Pastor Louie Giglio.
>> And he's from the Passion City Church in Atlanta.
Let's hear what he had to say.
>> We understand the curse that was slavery.
White people do.
And we say, that was bad.
But, we missed the blessing of slavery, that it actually built up the framework for the
world that white people live in and lived in.
>> Yes.
>> And so, a lot of people call this white privilege.
And when you say those two words, it just is, a fuse goes off for a lot of white people
because they don't want somebody telling them to check their privilege.
And so, I know that you and I both have struggled in these days where the hey, if the phrase
is the trip up, let's get over the phrase and let's get down to the heart.
>> Sure.
>> Let's get down to what then do you want to call it.
And, I think maybe a great thing for me is to call it white blessing.
That I'm living in the blessing of the curse that happened generationally, that allowed
me to grow up in Atlanta and you're talking about being 57, if you were 57.
I can't imagine being that old Dan and being 57.
>> But, I've said to our church lecrae a few weeks ago, the day I was born on Boulevard
at Georgia Baptist Hospital in 1958, black people did not have equal rights in this city,
not my grandparents lifetime or their lifetime in my lifetime.
This is right now.
>> Okay.
>> I just wish the people at home, they can't see producer Brett behind the scenes.
We can see him.
I wish there's a recording of that somewhere, just him watching this video is just making
him very uncomfortable.
Brett did not like this video.
>> It's bad, it's bad.
I mean, not his reaction.
His reaction is spot on.
But, what we're hearing from this pastor who, by the way, was speaking to rapper Lecrae
and also Chick-fil-A CEO, Dan Kathy.
Those were the two other people who were part of this discussion.
And look, I think, whole thing was uncomfortable and weird and we'll break it down bit by bit
in just a second.
But, my favourite reaction to it on Twitter was someone who goes by BethEBanana and that
says, white privilege is wanting to rebrand something as white blessing because white
fragility makes white people not want to hear about white privilege.
Yeah, the concept is supposed to make you uncomfortable, because the reality is uncomfortable.
And by the way, you should never refer to anything involving slavery as a blessing,
>> Yeah, no, listen, this guy meant well, I think he genuinely meant well.
He got to a very confused place.
I do think that at some point, I think if we're going to see, very widespread systemic
change, we have to get white people to understand that it is also in their best interest to
recognize the oppression that exists in the society.
To sort of recognize that the unique oppression that black people face in the society, and
brown people and all other minorities in the society, it is in their own best interest
to address it, right?
That's how we're going to get out of this at some point.
Because the discourse around, making it a favor that white people do toward brown people,
is gonna lead to all kinds of weird things, like this pastor just went through.
>> Yeah, and he did apologise.
And he tried to clarify what he meant by referring to slavery as a blessing when he said on Twitter
the following, not seeking to refer to slavery as a blessing.
But, that we are privileged because of the curse of slavery.
In calling it a privilege slash benefits slash blessing, word choice wasn't great.
Trying to help us see society is built on the dehumanization of others.
My apology, I failed.
And- >> He explained it that way.
I agree with you.
I don't think that he meant to come across the way he did-
>> Yeah.
>> In that insanely unfortunate statement.
But, I also think the whole point is ridiculous on its face because we need to have honest
discussions and not use polite little euphemisms to ensure that these conversations are comfortable
because the very nature of the conversation is uncomfortable, will remain uncomfortable.
And unless we're willing to put ourselves in that place of discomfort, we're not gonna
solve anything.
And by the way, I've really learned lately to humble myself when it comes to perspectives
that I disagree with or might be calling me out, and my ideology out specifically, rather
than immediately brush it off or get angry about it.
I've learned a lot by being challenged by people who I might not agree with.
And, I really want people to open themselves up to that because that's where you really
do see the most personal growth.