JEANINE".
>> EARLIER I CAUGHT UP WITH TED
CRUZ ON CAPITOL HILL TO GET HIS
TAKE ON OPENING ARGUMENTS FROM
TRUMP'S DEFENSE TEAM IN CASE THE
DEMS LAYOUT EARLIER THIS WEEK.
TAKE A LOOK.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING
TIME OUT, I KNOW IT IS A BUSY
DAY AND I KNOW YOU BEEN IN
WASHINGTON FOR A LONG TIME.
BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
DOING THIS.
TODAY WAS A VERY INTERESTING
DAY.
TODAY WAS THE FIRST DAY THAT THE
PRESIDENT'S TEAM HAD OPPORTUNITY
TO LAY OUT WHAT IT IS THE INTENT
TO PROVE.
YOU BEEN IN MANY COURTROOMS,
WHAT DID IT FEEL LIKE TODAY,
HOW'S IT DIFFERENT, HE'S IN
POWER, HE'S DONE THIS, YOU THINK
HE'S A DICTATOR.
>> I THINK IT WAS GRATIFYING,
THEN FIRST TIME THE PRESIDENT
HAS HAD TO DEFEND HIM THROUGHOUT
THE WHOLE PROCEEDING IN THE
HOUSE, THEY WOULD NOT LET THE
PRESIDENT DEFEND HIMSELF.
I THINK EVERY SENATOR IS
GRATEFUL THAT THE NEVER ENDING
OPENING ARGUMENT, THE 24 HOURS
OF NONSTOP FROM THE HOUSE
MANAGERS OPEN.
AS THEY ARE CLOSING ARGUMENT
ENDED LAST NIGHT, MY SENSE IN
THE SENSE OF A LOT OF PEOPLE,
THEY FAILED TO PROVE THEIR CASE.
TODAY THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYERS,
DID INEFFECTIVE JOB REPORTING
HOW SELECTIVE THEIR QUOTATIONS
WERE FROM THE RECORD, HOW MUCH
THEY LEFT OUT AND I'M REALLY
LOOKING FORWARD TO MONDAY.
ON MONDAY STARTING AT 1:00 P.M.
WE COME BACK TO THE TRIAL IN THE
PRESIDENT'S LAWYERS WILL PRESENT
THE PRINTABLE DEFENSE AND WHAT I
HOPE TO HEAR FROM THEM IS A
SUBSTANCE DEFENSE ON THE MERITS.
THAT LAYS OUT THE CASE ON THE
FACTS FOR THE PRESIDENT'S
INNOCENCE.
I THINK THE HOUSE MANAGERS MADE
A CRITICAL MISTAKE ON HOW THEY
STRUCTURE THEIR ARGUMENT.
A CENTRAL ELEMENT OF THEIR
ARGUMENT IS A PROPOSITION THAT
IT WAS FACELESS AND FRIVOLOUS TO
WANT TO INVESTIGATE MARIE'S MOM
UKRAINIAN NATURAL GAS COMPANY
AND WHETHER OR NOT JOE BIDEN AND
HUNTER BIDEN WERE PAYING 100
BUCKS A YEAR IN THEY PRESSURED
HIM AND THREATENED $1 BILLION IN
AID TO FORCE UKRAINE TO FIRE THE
PROSECUTOR WHO WAS INVESTIGATING
BURISMA.
>> HOW DOES THIS TRIAL RESOLVE
ANY OF THAT.
THIS IS ABOUT ONE DEFENDANT AND
I HATE EVEN REFERRING TO HIM AS
THAT.
>> THE HOUSE MANAGERS LAID OUT
THE PROPOSITION THAT IT WAS
BASELESS, FRAUDULENT, PHONY AND
NO BASIS WHATSOEVER FOR SEEKING
AN INVESTIGATION INTO BURISMA,
THE TOTAL ANSWER IS THERE WAS
OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE OF
CORRUPTION AND A PRESIDENT IS
ALWAYS JUSTIFIED.
HE HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO
INVESTIGATE CORRUPTION.
THE FUNDAMENTAL ARGUMENT THAT
DISPOSES OF THIS CASE, IT MAKES
CLEAR THE PRESIDENT DID NOTHING
IMPEACHABLE AS HE HAS THE
AUTHORITY TO INVESTIGATE
CORRUPTION.
THE HOUSE MANAGER GOES FROM THE
DOOR DID HUNTER BIDEN TESTIFY,
THEY MADE IT RELEVANT AND
CRITICAL.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WAS VERY
IMPORTANT THAT MIGHT LEAD TO A
MOTION TO DISMISS.
I WANT YOUR OPINION THAT, THEY
BASICALLY SAID THAT THE SECOND
ARTICLE OF OBSTRUCTION IS NOT
BASED IN ANY THING SUBSTANTIVE
BECAUSE THE HOUSE THAT NANCY
PELOSI ANNOUNCE WE ARE GOING TO
BEGIN THIS IMPEACHMENT
INVESTIGATION HAD NO
JURISDICTION OF AUTHORITY TO
GRANT SUBPOENAS.
THEREFORE IF THE PRESIDENT DID
NOT ABIDE BY THE SUBPOENAS IT IS
NOT OBSTRUCTION.
THERE HAS TO BE A VOTE IN THE
HOUSE.
>> THAT IS CERTAINLY A LEGAL
ARGUMENT THAT THE PRESIDENT'S
LAWYERS ARE PUTTING FORTH, THEY
PUT IT IN FORTH IN THEIR BRIEF.
THE OBSTRUCTION CHARGES
SECONDARY TO THE HOUSE MANAGERS
CASE.
THIS CASE -- I DON'T THINK YOU
WILL SEE A MOTION TO DISMISS.
THE WAY THINGS THEY WILL PLAY
OUT, WE WILL SEE THE OPENING
ARGUMENT CONTINUE ON MONDAY,
MAYBE TUESDAY THEN WE WILL HAVE
16 HOURS OF QUESTIONS FROM
SENATORS.
WE CANNOT ASSESS QUESTIONS
OURSELVES, I WOULD LOVE TO GO
ROUND AND ROUND WITH ADAM
SCHIFF, BUT THE SENATE RULES DO
NOT ALLOW.
INSTEAD WE HAVE TO WRITE YOUR
QUESTIONS IN THE CHIEF JUSTICE
WILL ASK QUESTIONS FOR US.
WHAT I EXPECT TO SEE AFTER THAT,
WE WILL VOTE ON ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES IT BE NECESSARY AND
WHETHER IN ORDER.
THAT MAY BE A CLOSE VOTE, WE
KNOW 47 DEMOCRATS WILL VOTE YES.
THERE MIGHT BE FOR REPUBLICANS
WHO VOTE WITH THEM.
I DO NOT KNOW.
>> THOSE SUPPORT ROMNEY AND
SUSAN COLLINS AND LISA
MURKOWSKI, AND LAMAR?
>> THAT'S THE RUMOR.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S NEED FOR
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES, WE HAVE
MORE THAN ENOUGH TO REJECT THESE
ARTICLES ON THE MERITS BUT THEY
HAVE NOT PROVEN THEIR CASE.
>> AND THERE IN THE MOTION TO
DISMISS.
>> I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE A
MOTION TO DISMISS.
>> IT'LL BE INITIALLY A VOTE ON
WITNESSES.
IF WE'LL VOTE NO ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES ARE NECESSARY, THE
NEXT VOTE WILL BE A MASON FOR
JUSTICE.
RATHER THAN DISMISS WE WILL GO
TO JUDGMENT AND ACQUIT THE
PRESIDENT WHICH MEANS WE WILL
STAND UP AND VOTE GUILTY OR NOT
GUILTY ON EACH OF THE ARTICLES.
IT'S A MUCH BETTER OUTCOME FOR
THE PRESIDENT AND COUNTRY FOR
HIM TO BE ACQUITTED, NOT
DISMISSED AND THROW THE CASE OUT
BUT REACH FINAL JUDGMENT AND
FIND THE PRESIDENT NOT GUILTY.
THAT WILL BE THE END OF THIS
BECAUSE THE HOUSE MANAGERS HAVE
NOT MET THE CONSTITUTIONAL
STANDARD APPROVING HIGH CRIMES
AND MISDEMEANORS.
THE PRESIDENT HAS THE AUTHORITY
TO INVESTIGATE SERIOUS
ALLEGATION OF CORRUPTION.
THERE WERE MASSIVE ALLEGATIONS
OF CORRUPTION, AT LEAST ENOUGH
EVIDENCE TO JUSTIFY AN
INVESTIGATION.
>> IN THE END, HOW LONG YOU
THINK THIS WILL TAKE.
I KNOW YOU TALK ABOUT THE
WITNESSES TAKING TIME.
>> THERE'S A FORK IN THE ROAD,
IF IT IS 51 SENATORS VOTE, WE
DON'T NEED ADDITIONAL AND THIS
WILL END NEXT WEEK.
IF 51 SENATORS SAY WE NEED
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES, IF THAT
HAPPENS WE HAVE GOT TO BE FAIR,
WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLE
WHICH MEANS IF THEY GET JOHN
BOLTON, WE GET HUNTER BIDEN.
WE GO DOWN THE ROAD TO
WITNESSES, THIS COULD TAKE WEEKS
OR MONTHS.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE
RESULT WILL BE THE SAME.
WHAT I DO EVERY DAY WHEN I LEAVE
THE TRIAL, I AM GOING IN
BUILDING A PODCAST, HIS VERDICT
WITH TED CRUZ, I BILLED IT AT
THREE IN THE MORNING BECAUSE
THAT'S WHEN WE WERE DONE.
JUST TALKING ABOUT ANY DETAIL
FORM, THE FACTS, THE SUBSTANCE
IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES AT
STAKE.
I'VE NEVER DONE A PODCAST
BEFORE, IN FOUR DAYS WOULD
BECOME THE NUMBER TWO PODCAST IN
THE COUNTRY.
>> CONGRATULATIONS.
SECONDLY THIS IS YOUR REAL
HOUSE, I WAS IN THERE TODAY, I
WAS AFRAID I WAS GOING TO FALL
OVER THE RAILING.
BUT I HEAR PEOPLE FALLING ASLEEP
AND I SAY TO MYSELF HOW CAN YOU
FALL ASLEEP, IT'S EXCITING.
BUT IT'S EXCITING HAVING YOU