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In Part One of this presentation, author Ted Holden explored the evidence
for fundamental differences in our world's environment since a time when
dinosaurs walked the earth. In Holden's analysis, the most obvious explanation
for the enormous size of the largest dinosaurs is that Earth's gravity was
once considerably weaker. But the mysteries don't end there. While The
Thunderbolts Project takes no position on these issues, in this episode Holden
continues his analysis and explores perhaps the most controversial question
of all: Is it possible that dinosaurs existed on Earth far more recently than
institutional science has ever considered? Ted Holden: Aside from the various
problems I may have mentioned in that first interview, involving dinosaurs and
flying creatures and things whose ability to function depends on something
which involves a squared figure whereas weight is always proportional to
volume, which is a cubed figure. In the case of size and strength, as you double
your dimensions, you cut your power-to- weight ratio in half. You can only cut
your power-to-weight ratio in half so many times and still stand up and function,
right. You've got a problem with the large dinosaurs, aside from just
standing up; you've got a problem with what to do with their necks. Because, as I
mentioned previously, if they held their necks upwards, they wouldn't be able to get blood
to their brains, right, I mean, it would take a heart bigger than the body to hold just the
blood pressure enough to function, right. So that you get people nowadays find to
believe that all dinosaurs held their necks outwards but a large dinosaur holding his neck
outward would have an even bigger problem than that. In other words,
something like a seismosaur, his neck could easily be 50-feet long, right, could easily
weigh 40-, 50-, 60,000 pounds. If you've got a neck which is even
40,000 pounds, and if the center of gravity of that neck is even 10 feet out
from the shoulders, then you look at the 400,000 foot-pounds of
torque. And you'll be probably looking at more than half a
million foot-pounds of torque for a number of these animals if they were to
hold their necks outwards. Now, what exactly is like a half a million foot-pounds of
torque ballpark, well I mean, that's ballpark for the combined maximum torque of all
four of the engines of an iron class battleship. That is enough torque to drive a 60,000-ton
ship through the water at 33-knots. That's the dilemma. A sauropod
dinosaur in our world would have no way to hold his neck. He couldn't hold his neck
upwards because of the blood pressure problem, and he couldn't hold his neck outwards
because of the torque problem. You've got a couple of other comments on
that first video. Some of these I've seen over and over again. You've got a claim that,
well, maybe the air was simply more dense in those days or yet atmosphere which is
close to being buoyant and maybe that accounted for some of these problems. The
answer is, not really. I mean, number one, you've still gotta breathe that air, right. I mean,
air, which was close to being buoyant, would simply burn up anything trying to breathe it.
It would be like the redneck physics experiment where you get the guys trying to
pour a pail of liquid oxygen on to a barbecue. That looks sort of like the napalm bomb scenes, you know, from
"Victory At Sea," and that's what would be going on inside the cells of your body
if you were set on trying to breathe an atmosphere that was that thick. That's number one.
Number two says that, like even in the case of a 40-pound pterosaur, like the
pterodactyl, the pteranodon. In the 1940's and 50's and 60's, that was the biggest
flying dinosaur that anybody knew anything about, right, and they assumed that
somewhere around 40-pounds was the largest creature that could possibly even glide,
much less fly. It's that even just holding his wings in a turn would snap the wing-
bones if he was any bigger than that, just in our normal atmosphere. And now if you
make the atmosphere close to being buoyant then that problem becomes worse, not better. You've
got problems which, I think, would just eliminate this idea of a vastly thicker
atmosphere straight off the bat. The only thing that really helps the situation is
reduced gravity. You've also got a question of people wanting to
talk about expanding Earth theories. And I mentioned that I do not believe in
Earth expanding theories. Why not? Well, there's a couple of reasons. Why
would anybody want to believe in an expanding Earth theory? There's two reasons. One is
dinosaurs. You know, once you realize that because dinosaurs could not exist in our
present gravity then the simplest way to try to account for reduced gravity
in ancient times would be to try to talk about the earth simply expanding
its mass, right, well maybe the earth just was nowhere near as big in ancient times.
You've got people making this claim. They assume that you've got 65-million years
to account for this increase in mass, going from the world of the dinosaurs to our
present age. It turns out that that's not really believable. It's like these 65-
million years have gone away. In somewhere around 2006, you started
getting soft tissue turning up in dinosaur remains. It started with this Mary
Schweizer at North Carolina State University, who was working with a bunch of
tyrannosaur bones. They had one very large femur bone, which was intact. They cut
it in half, right. They figured they'd glued it back together once they got it back to the
university. But once they cut this thing in half, they were able to see there was soft tissue
remaining in this bone, that they got more and more soft tissue starting from that time. Not
just in the one bone, right, but in a number of dinosaur remains and bones, in hadrosaurus, involving
like the triceratops, involving several other kinds of dinosaurs, right.
And you know, there's no way in the world that soft tissue is going to survive for 65-million
years, okay. They've actually started to get good radiocarbon dates for some of the
soft tissue. In several cases, they got radiocarbon dates from 20- to 40,000
years. So that you've got several data points like this. You've got
radiocarbon datings for dinosaur remains; you've got good representations of known
dinosaur types on canyon walls around North America. And the most common of the
dinosaur petroglyphs is the stegasaur, which Native Americans called "mishipeshu,"
which means water panther. You've got like a number of those,
which still existed. You've got a large animal that holds its legs underneath
its body, which means that he's not a crocodile or anything like that, right.
He's got dorsal spikes of the stegasaur. Now, Vine Deloria told me he'd been doing a
compendium of Indian oral traditions. He'd been up and down the American continent,
speaking to every storyteller, every keeper of oral traditions, all the way from Alaska
down to Tierra del Fuego, right. And he said, if there was anything that sort of
flummoxed him at first, it was the extent to which almost everyone of these
tribes retained oral traditions about, you know, Indian ancestors having to deal
with dinosaurs. He said that the name "mishipeshu" means water panther. Its name is
similar to the word "Mississippi." That Indian oral traditions described this
water panther; or they were calling it water panther, mishipeshu, as having like
red fur, a cat-like face, a saw-blade back and a great spiked tail, which it used as a weapon. OK,
Lewis and Clark had said that their native guides were in mortal terror
of the sight of these glyphs around the Mississippi River because the original intention of
these glyphs was caution. You know, one of these things lives here. What I
believe to be the case, stegasaur was not the largest dinosaur but he still had
gravity problems, right. I believe that the stegasaur moved into
water after the change in gravity simply to deal with this increasing
weight but that he didn't have any real adaptation for living in the water. He
eventually died out. You know, the bull sharks got him or something else like that got him, you know.
At the Kachina bridge at Natural Bridges Utah, you've got a sauropod
glyph, which looks like this. What the evolutionists are saying, "Well,
this is just a snake, obviously, and these support legs are just smudges." No snake
ever coiled itself into a configuration like that. That's a dinosaur.
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