speaking of getting along oh yeah see like why can't we go yes
yeah they started they got out some some bongos so he they started singing some
songs of getting together and the bombshell news which was a bombshell I
mean a bombshell yeah super surprising yes super surprising my jaw literally
dropped actually like I was like what's new something was coming
I mean clearly cuz you know I wrote a story earlier this year saying you know
there's you know cuz give him credit you know Kyle at heart OCP was saying
you know there's some big game D deal in the works with Intel it didn't quite
work out to the scale that I really Kyle was saying it was gonna be you know I so
it to me it wasn't as big a deal interestingly it was a big deal for a
lot of people wouldn't expect it because until an AMD hate each other right
but Intel for people who don't know they're they're going to be buying an
AMD graphics part and integrating sort of integrating it with an upcoming
mobile chip and HBM yes and no chip with HTM and radeon GPU yeah but I mean so
the full details are a wall of course nobody really knows the full details if
it's gonna be used with an upcoming Intel H part which you know is what's in
this laptop here an H part KB Lake quad-core 45 watts to be hotter and
they're taking a unknown that I'm going to assume unknown vague apart with HP I
would assume that I wouldn't assume that no no some of the early leaks are
looking like there are some early benchmark leaks and it looks like the
core configuration if they're accurate could be Polaris who knows well why
would you I mean that makes kind of more sense to me just because of how much
heat Vic has been throwing off yeah but but I were were
you know there's a hpm to member control employers though what are they doing
like a this is like semi-custom part for Intel just like the
custom parts AMD makes for Xbox and Sony PlayStation so right as possible ok
everything is possible red I assume it's it's not as revolutionary as we
think it is I am assuming they're I'm assuming that what they're doing is
you're buying a Vega part probably a Vega 56 level kind of like performance
with an HP m2 stack eight gigs right and then they integrate that on there really
super cool emid stuff we've done knows intel talked about it earlier this year
it lets them basically connect up a bunch of different chips on this super
fast fabric and make little tiny packages and it's gonna be you know tiny
lib the motherboard in this laptop is probably about this big and the
motherboard or the the GPU and CPU package in this upcoming piece could be
like super tiny super tiny so the thing that interests me about that just kind
of a tangent is they were saying it fit into thinner lighter laptops right got
gaming graphics but when you reduce the board size like that I get that lighter
but I don't get the thinner cuz it's still the same thickness as a
motherboard well one thing they can do is you know you so you don't have the
motherboard if say a typical you know CPU and GPU packages maybe about you
know that big and you shrink it down to this yeah ideally I guess you could add
more cooling right so you've got more space to add more cooling if you didn't
if you didn't have if you didn't have a little tiny package that cooling would
still take up extra space so you could either make it thinner with the same
cooling or you could you know possibly add more cooling so it runs faster than
other similarly sized laptops so we have a comment on on youtube Lord when foo
says it doesn't seem economically feasible to design an HBM controller to
be paired with a Polaris part what do you guys think of that depends how much
intel's paying AMD yeah i have conspiracy theories we can get into
those later i think that these chips are were asked for by Apple and Apple is
basically the only ones who
get Intel and AMD to work together on something like this so yeah I don't know
I yeah that's that's actually a really good point to bring up because my
biggest question after reading all of this news was what would the application
of this chip really be like actually in realistic real-world setting because
they're talking about putting them into thin and light laptops like this but
most most 15 inch laptops that have those H parts are going to be using
discrete graphics we really haven't seen many laptops at all that have an H part
right don't also have to speak graphics so I'm not sure why you would want you
know that much extra firepower for your integrated graphics yeah so well I mean
it's not really integrated it is like a science Creed right it's on the package
it's still not true discrete graphics yeah well I mean interesting part to me
is that it still has the integrated graphics in the Intel chip 2 so it has
both graphics light and so that's why I don't think it's as revolutionary as was
said earlier this year the the reason when I reported on it early this year
Kyle was saying basically Intel was going to license
AMD IP and then dump the entire in telex team that of course still could happen
but this is really it's really like taking all the parts in a laptop similar
to this is gigabytes arrow 15 X with an H part and geforce gtx 1070 max q right
that's 1070 yeah so 1070 max-q and but you shrink it of course 1070
max-q is probably beyond what this AMD part is I'm guessing but it just makes
it a lot smaller I mean could you could you really shave that much at the
concept if you go to PC world's webpage you know they're always going to push
our own story but you got our page I think it's the only place that I've seen
it but there is a concept laptop that Mark Hofmann grabbed a shot of and it
shows a spectacularly thin laptop you know with with you know discrete
graphics yeah I mean it I and as far as the conspiracy theory you're talking
about Brad I really do yeah there is some like I if this does
not show up in the next MacBook Pro 15 I would be surprised because it's it's so
right up Apple's alley right they like miniaturization they like thinness kind
of plays to what they do and it seems like they hate Nvidia ever since bump
gate what's all that bump gate happened and
they kind of chucked apple on the fire they haven't seen Nvidia parts inside of
an Apple machine since then yeah you know and really ended up paying for that
I mean they pay for everybody for people don't know there there were there was a
line of notebook GPUs that the solder went bad on apparently and it affected
everyone Dell Apple Baba everyone who had these things you just be using when
one day the GP which is quit and they wasn't coming back so people don't like
that but of course people don't Apple has made plenty of screw-ups as much as
their fans pretend nothing ever goes wrong you had white bum show up on the
screen you've had keyboards failing because a piece of dust gets and they
had just tons and tons of failures too so I can't see that that being the
reason for pushing Nvidia you know for bored awfully coincidental yeah I do I
really in fact aside know somebody in the industries like god this is really
just gonna go on the MacBook Pro 15 right it's like yeah it's gotta be right
totally I would expect it I don't know but you
know again it's not that revolutionary because all it really is is instead of a
discrete GPU sitting and you know next to the CPU you have it all in one little
tiny chip that's like that big and with what I think it's probably a single
stack so an 8 gig HBM to stack it depends on what they want it could be
less I wouldn't be surprised if it's for for something like this I would think 8
though why go why go all that length to do this and then do 4 gig and then I
that's why I don't believe that Pelorus thing I know people are saying as pliers
I don't think so I think this is a Vega 56 mobile part I just don't see I just
don't see it also the the chat is saying the they think the difference between
calling it integrated and discrete is the number of compute units specifically
Jacob Flores says a 24 Polaris see compute units is pretty significant much
more than integrated well it's not performance that that integrated versus
discrete is I think that the formal definition is is not based on
performance no okay but what is 28 is 24 see used right now for this part I think
they're saying that's what we say they haven't officially said any hard details
they haven't told us have an AC user in it they haven't told us HBM details
nothing like that yes sorry I was gonna say Jacob also
says the the leak benchmarks was forking hpm - yeah I don't know that makes sense
to me if you're targeting 1080p it depends it depends I mean it still is
not integrated but kind of integrated graphics they only have so much room and
space to put in there so right what how many see use in a 56 in a vago 56 core
resolution in 1080p yeah it's right but you know of course it's crazy because
this this is that people never expected this right so you guys are shocked I
guess I well I'm shocked it actually happening I wasn't since those rumors
came around last year I had faith that the people who are reporting them
because both Kyle and food overflow Delaware reporting it and I'm like those
guys usually know they got people on the inside and they know their stuff but
when it happened it was still like wow there's gonna be an Intel CPU with a
radeon GPU and that's wild yeah it's one of those things where when you hear it
you don't necessarily think whoever's reporting it especially in this
particular case what the sources being as good as they are you don't
necessarily think that it's erroneous but I mean how many times do you say
things like hey we should get together sometime you know like we should like do
that thing we keep talking about and then it never comes to pass right one of
those things yeah I mean there was chancellor was gonna go nowhere right so
in the interest me is I'm reading Mark's article and it says Intel says that it
will gaming class graphics down from systems that are 26 millimeters thick
2:10 the late pcs at 16 and maybe even 11 millimeters thick 11 millimeters is
small but I noticed how they neglected to mention invidious max-q technology
there which is putting GTX like that one right there GTX 970 in about 18
millimeter thick things yeah yeah I mean I should have brought in the ACC first
right because I think it's just stupidly 10 and that's that's really gtx 1075
performance right so yeah I don't know that is uh I'm not sure where they're
going with this honestly I mean it'll be cool and all this but nothing at that at
the other point I do wonder like so if this is a part they're buying for or
they're making for Apple are they gonna sell this to Dell and HP or is this just
gonna their terminology and the release they put up a blog post about it said
devices around the turn of the year the first quarter or whatever so the S on
there makes me think it'll pop up in more than one but we'll see one thing
that's interesting to me it's that AMD is going to supply Intel with graphics
drivers for games and stuff but it'll actually be Intel pushing out the driver
package to users you won't be dealing with AMD directly oh really yeah that's
weird because I mean it I mean if it is classically just I mean the system sees
it as discrete GPU then you should be able to just install your own drivers
you would think yeah that's not what's gonna happen it's gonna be the one
driver chip package from Intel push to you oh god that is bad I mean that is
like I mean Intel drivers for games is sorta like I like when people like your
name D a hard time for like oh you drive which is terrible
yeah the nods bad Intel's yeah that's true well I will leave you alone now
they're just like yeah they said they're gonna work with the Radeon Group to
supply day one drivers for new games so they're aware of that fact at least it
sounds like and actually apparently that's really easy to write that's like
a very easy thing for Intel to do now at this point drivers yeah
the radion group way