what is happening there reject nation greg and john here today we are going to talk about some
doctor strange to multiverse of madness reports and news and i wanted to also talk about is
the illuminati disappointing and is this factor into all the other things we're going to discuss
which is the cinema score that this film received and some comments that
kevin feige actually made himself at the premiere of doctor strange too but if you can leave a like
do the thing that every youtuber wants you to do and leave a like let's hop into this
we'll reserve the illuminati part for the end because obviously we would have to give spoilers
on that so we'll talk about the cinema score and feige first but it all ties together
you'll see you'll see all right so first things first doctor strange two apparently received the
second lowest mcu cinema score at a b plus that is tied with thor and the lowest i
believe is eternals at a b so i was a little bit surprised but also not entirely surprised to
hear that and it's actually had something to do more with the opening night experience that we had
just the other day when we saw it on imax we went to universal imax evening showing biggest theater
biggest screen this movie is formatted for that and what struck me as oh this might be a tad more
divisive than i expected it was when the movie was done it did not end in applause there was like a
couple people who clapped when the film was done yeah it was not like a thunderous upper
yeah it wasn't the premiere and it wasn't a bunch of chatter either you know it was like people just
sort of huh did i like that or did i not like that yeah you could just see that amongst the
group and it was really really fascinating to see in a packed house whereas like when we went to
the premiere that's the premiere like it's really easy to get manipulated by a crowd at a premiere
that's why i usually like to take a little bit of time before instantly talking about it because at
a premiere you know it's all about that movie and it's all leading to that for hours on end
i can sort of tune out crowd reactions we've done reviews at premieres before with this movie we're
pretty honest about our criticisms with the film with this i was like oh wow there's no no applause
this is fascinating yeah yeah and even even in some of the bigger like ending reveals not as many
people even just chattering what's that about what is this you know trying to decode it it is kind of
a lot to take in on first go and so i wonder you know if that cinema score would alter change you
know if people had the benefit of a second viewing before raiding it i do think it has something to
do with what kevin feige actually said which was i'm gonna put the exact quote oh hold on everyone
uh he said at the premiere there's been too much in the trailers i don't want to talk
about anything else but i will say sam has made this movie to be experienced on a big screen as
possible as big as screen as possible it's even the first one a long time that 3d was really
okay we've got the main part all right that first line though about there's been too much in the
trailers and i don't want to talk about anything else it's strange to hear it's interesting to
hear especially on our end you know like with spider-man no way home we were covering like all
the crazy contradicting plot leaks and everything and here we we pretty much avoided them there was
a point where like we talked about a couple of rumors and then we just stopped you know just kept
it to the actual things that marvel themselves were releasing and now i'm like ah man do we have
to watch trailers what's going on here yeah yeah are we gonna come into the next one having seen
most of the surprises dang the common complaints i i do hear fall under the expectation versus what
the movie actually gave you know like there are some definite valid criticisms that i've heard
that we have also echoed that involve the actual film itself it's called multiverse of madness
that's the title of the movie really the debate that often comes in was we saw the show loki
we really thought this would be more of you know traversing the multiverse really exploring it
experiencing it and watching the madness form from like the collapse and really this has more to do
with like a couple of universes and the dark hole mainly and a couple of variants too because loki
also sets you up for like oh man there's gonna be variants of everyone variants galore and and you
kind of see most of them in the trailer and you know like a lot of things with the marketing was
wow if they're willing to actually tease us with captain carter and professor x there's got to be
a tom cruise yeah like what else are they going to show in here what else will be in this movie
you know that was the main thing that we would hear people say sorry if you missed that trailer
that showed captain carter i would just spoil that but there was a trailer that revealed it
some people felt like it wasn't madness enough and then the other part was there
were families at that theater this was such a big indicator these families were scared i heard them
literally say out loud like verbally voice i'm really scared right now like they wanted to leave
there is this flavor of this feels so much like a sam raimi movie more than it does the
expansive marvel cinematic universe film it's dark and twisted in a way that marvel movies
just generally aren't and i think what a lot of us expected even ourselves included was more of
an mcu film yeah some kind of massive way station for huge crossovers and and circumstances that
are going to inform so many things moving forward that would blow open the doors combine it with the
title and then you combine it with the setup from one division the ending of loki and then what the
trailers were showing us and coming off of no way home that intentionally left stuff out that was
obviously super massive in that film yeah had you going wow what else is gonna be in here and you're
like no they actually show you quite a bit that's in that movie there's a couple of cameos that are
definitely spoilers but it still felt like it might be crazier so i wanted to talk about the
illuminati specifically and how that was handled i wonder if that really factors into a lower cinema
score especially from you guys because it really dawned on me the second time around i did have
some issues with the way the illuminati themselves are portrayed like the first time watching it's
just so exciting you know you're like oh my god there's black both mordo of all that humans are
being recognized back finally captain carter uh then you got captain marvel and with lashana lynch
playing her professor x in the x-men animated series outfit and the x-men tune and then of
course john krasinski as mr fantastic it is so exciting and on a second viewing it really
showed me what it was it felt like a lack of impact and that's really the portrayal of the
illuminati they're so stoic that you can't really distinguish their personalities they
kind of feel like a stereotypical council of it was one of the aspects of the movie that seemed
to feel like it didn't get as much attention or maybe even was almost like a reshoot or
reworked sequence because yeah they all kind of speak the same way and especially for like
the introduction of reed richards you don't get a sense for his personality to anticipate his return
in the fantastic four you said yesterday that it felt like it's just serious john krasinski
yeah that's exactly yeah and as much as i do love stuff about that portion of the movie it
really did hit me the second time of like yeah it just is him just being somber and straightforward
and they all are like they each get a moment and one opportunity to demonstrate their power captain
carter and captain marvel kind of get the most personality but yeah they don't really feel like
actual consequential characters and when some of them especially like professor x are supposed to
live up to a reputation yeah it does kind of skew how the stakes operate or how just the weight of
the situation operates yeah it's like it felt like they lacked a real personality which was a
major issue for me on the second viewing of okay that's kind of what's missing here well maybe
it'll make up in the action because i liked the context of wanda obliterating them like i love
the context of that and the first time watching it i was like this is awesome i really love that on
the second viewing though when they all like pose in front of wanda like okay we gotta stop this and
the crowd cheered i just remembered thinking oh these people were about to be really lucky
yeah because it's followed by cheer and then especially with mr fantastic actually john
krasinski is is such a perfect casting choice for reed richards he has a moment that feels like a
hint and we're gonna see him in action where he like zips down right and he stretches down black
bolt dying didn't really bother me that much because there's not much you can do about him
i don't really care about him and you already saw him kill off that one doctor strange when he said
i'm sorry whereas with mr fantastic it's like oh the fan casting come true marvel did it yes
it's kind of like spider-man no way home where they did the fan stuff we wanted yes
and then he just dies and the first time watching it i didn't really process how i felt about that
and then of course like the other characters come in they get killed off and then even professor x
like to bring back patrick stewart for what is really just a cameo and to have that featured in
the trailer and not feel like of true significant context or consequence or have much weight
revealing the illuminati in the trailers puts such an emphasis on it it's like one thing if they're
just cameos and cool but then when you set them up to be they're gonna be more than that but they're
not much more than what we got in the trailers other than like a couple of cool fight moments
they're caught in this limbo yeah between being treated like cameos even though the movie seems to
want to use them like real characters and i think the major flaw with that is that they never get
you to a point where you're like no these dudes can handle it and then you get the reversal of oh
damn no they can't you know you have their reputations to go on and that's about it for those
stakes i felt like wanda fought the ultron bots longer than the other ones yeah yeah absolutely
and you pointed this out too is the idea that they don't really seem concerned by her presence or her
imminent arrival at all when you'd think that you know their knowledge of the scarlet witch or
i don't know at least who's on the illuminati yeah yeah and who has knowledge of the dark hold and
things like that you would think that they would take the threat in any way seriously and i feel
like that's kind of a miscalculation of how those characters might respond yeah i mean it's still
a lot about it i like i could just see how the expectation versus result can leave people feeling
a little disappointed especially after so much setup and rumor mill for who might be in it what
might be in it and then coming off of spiderman no way home which did a multiverse film in it of
itself pretty damn well well yeah and it makes me curious as to what is happening with the marketing
it's fascinating to me that kevin feige would say that and what surprises me about this is we always
laud marvel trailers for only showing like the first act and really keeping it pretty contained
and this trailer draws from across the movie and it shows you a a mass amount of the characters
who will show up and the places that will show up and i feel like that contributes to like
a narrowing of the experience so i'm like who made these decisions overall i was still happy
that they showed up i was still happy to see them and it's still one of the highlights for me in
the film weirdly after all that yeah and still feel like that scene in and of itself is still
one of the highlights of the film regardless of everything i just said i like just as many things
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there's no one there then you focus it and it's just a gas cloud
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doesn't even talk then it was important enough to make it on the council it's just a ups taped box
it could be used for anything any purpose yeah who knows what's in it a big question is what's
in that box what's in the box and then the sixth member would his white deontay his white deonte
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