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Satsang with Mooji
Zmar Retreat - 11th May 2013 (with subtitles)
Is This Voice From the Mind or from Beingness?
[Questioner] So, since Reshikesh, [Mooji] Yes.
[Q.] in the winter, guilt is ever present. [Mooji] Yes.
[Q.] And part of me is witnessing that and it's fine.
And part of me is finding it difficult. So, it's in everything that I do.
If I do yoga, there's a voice, 'Why are you doing yoga?
Why are you meditating? Why are you trying to be healthy?
Why are you looking at women? You've done that enough.
Why are you spending too much time with people? You should be alone.
Why are you talking so much?' And ...
[Mooji] So a commentator is there, commenting about ...
[Q.] Yes. [laughter] Yes, and I feel, because it's so intense,
and I feel myself about to detach, in an intent way,
that's why the confusion has arose. Is it a natural process?
[Q.] All the examples I gave, [Mooji] Yes.
[Q.] yoga, it all feels,
yoga, meditation, exercise, being obsessive about health,
obsessive about being in conversation, it all feels too mechanical now.
Like there's no need for it.
[M.] Have you determined what this voice is? Is it a voice ...
You can determine ... Listen, I want to tell you,
you can determine whether this voice ...
You will determine whether it's from the mind
[M.] or from the Beingness itself. [Q.] That would be good.
[M.] Yes. Because if you take it personally, it will be from the mind.
If you take it impersonally, it might be asking you,
'Why are you doing yoga?'
And you think, 'Well, why actually am I doing yoga?' [laughter]
But I ask, Who are you that's doing any of these things,
that the mind will speak to?
Who do you choose to be?
And how will you choose to accept this question?
On the basis of a person or on the basis of the Beingness?
You will determine who you are.
Are you the person? 'Why are you doing the yoga?'
'Why are you giving so much interest in your body?'
Me who?
Who? Me personally?
Now, are you going to ask the mind, 'Mind, do you mean me, personally?'
No, don't go to ask the mind. 'Yes, you personally!' [laughter]
And this is a discussion you are having with yourself,
using your mind to create this thing. So it just depends.
Why would it not come to a sage and ask the sage's mind,
'Why are you doing this inquiry?'
It just would ... It's not a reality, it would not come.
Or if it came, it would be seen, it would be used,
in some subtle way, to dismiss itself, like, 'But it's nothing at all'.
But here, if it comes and it becomes a dilemma, you call it guilt, also.
Where did this word come from now?
'These days, now guilt is coming.' OK, let's say guilt is coming.
And now that's brought out.
Before it was not recognised, now it's recognised.
Now, are you moving on because you are feeling guilt
or have you moved back? No!
As you, somehow, are moving more deeply, into your freedom,
these energies are being burped out.
They are coming up. Will you stop and wrestle with them?
This is how you are exercising your mastery now.
Either, if it catches you, you say,
'Oh my god, why am I doing this thing?' Well, why does it say that?
Because you have the impression that you are doing them!
If you didn't have the impression that you are doing them,
the question could not happen. You follow or not?
[Q.] Yes. [M.] These are subtle things.
[M.] Then, now you said something and I heard you say it,
you listen now, 'Well, maybe it's all mechanical, something mechanical'.
Meaning that they just burst in the mind
and I don't have to feed them with my attention.
Now, that's a power you will exercise or not.
For some people, the minute some thought arises,
immediately, they are engaged in it.
A thought says, 'That person, they don't like you',
and immediately ... [imitates attitude]
[laughter] Attitude. Like there is no gap.
You don't reflect, and say, 'What is this? Where does that come from?'
Immediately, you are acting the thought.
So, with the space that is taking place in you, as the Self,
you are able to discern these things without any panic.
You can look at them and say, 'But what is ... Who is doing what here?'
If there is even that much charge in them,
to even give that much attention.
Otherwise, why would they come? Why would they even be noticed?
Many thoughts potentially are arising inside the consciousness,
but they don't flourish, because there is no interest in them.
So there is no record of them, they don't register at all.
And you don't have to transcend something that you have no interest in.
It just doesn't connect.
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You can determine whether a voice is from the mind or from the Beingness.
If you take it personally - it's from the mind.
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I ask, Who are you that the mind will speak to?
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Who do you choose to be and how will you choose to accept this question -
on the basis of a person, or on the basis of the Beingness?
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[Mooji] This life is for freedom.
Yes.
I want someone to come and set me on fire here. Who's going to do it?
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