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>> I’M JESSE WATTERS WITH
JUDGE JEANINE PIRRO, HAROLD
FORD JR., KAYLEE, KAYLEIGH
McENANY AND GREG GUTFELD.
IT’S 5:00 IN THE CITY AND THIS
IS "THE FIVE."
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POLICE REVEALING NEW DETAILS
SURROUNDING A HORRIFIC MASS
SHOOTING IN ISLAND PARK ILLINOIS
DURING A FOURTH OF JULY PARADE.
SEVEN PEOPLE KILLED, 30 MORE
INJURED.
AUTHORITIES -- THE SUSPECT HAD
TWO PRIOR RUN-INS WITH
LAW ENFORCEMENT.
>> IN 2019, AN INDIVIDUAL
CONTACTED -- STATE DEPARTMENTS
OF THE WEEK AFTER LEARNING OF
THEM ATTEMPTING SUICIDE.
A MENTAL
HEALTH PROFESSIONAL AT THAT
TIME -- THE SECOND INCIDENT, HE
SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO KILL
EVERYONE, AND POLICE
RESPONDED -- THEY REMOVED
KNIVES, A DAGGER, AND A SWORD
FROM HIS HOME.
TWO RIFLES, SOME PISTOLS,
POSSIBLY A SHOTGUN.
>> ALSO SAYING THIS
21-YEAR-OLD -- AND HAD PLANNED
THE ATTACK FOR WEEKS IN ADVANCE.
NOBODY CAUGHT -- INCLUDING
POSTING DISTURBING IMAGES OF
VIDEOS.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT DOES NOT END
THERE. 60 PEOPLE WORKSHOP IN CHICAGO
68 PEOPLE WERE SHOT IN CHICAGO.
DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS WASTING
NO TIME TO GO DIRECTLY AFTER
THEM.
>> EACH DAY, WE ARE REMINDED --
THERE IS NOTHING GUARANTEED
ABOUT OUR DEMOCRACY, ABOUT OUR
WAY OF LIFE.
DEFENDED AND EARNED BY VOTING >>
-- MUST NOT CARRY ASSAULT
WEAPONS.
I DON’T THINK A SINGLE ONE OF
THEM WOULD HAVE SAID THAT YOU
HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO
AN ASSAULT WEAPON WITH A
HIGH-CAPACITY MAGAZINE.
>> LETS ASK THE QUESTION OF WHY
PEOPLE IN OTHER CIVILIZATIONS IN
OUR WORLD ARE NOT COMMITTING
THESE CRIMES.
WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A UNIQUE
AMERICAN ISSUE AND THAT WE NEED
TO TAKE NECESSARY STEPS.
WE NEED TO HAVE A MUCH STRONGER
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHY THESE ARE
STILL PERMITTED IN OUR SOCIETY.
>> WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS,
JUDGE?
SEIZES WEAPONS YET STILL
UNLEASHES HELL ON THIS PARADE.
>> IN THE BEGINNING, HE WAS NOT
KNOWN BY THE POLICE.
THAT’S WHAT WE WERE TOLD, THAT
THERE IS GENERALLY SOMETHING
THAT INDICATES SOME PROBLEMS.
THERE WERE 17 KNIVES SEIZED FROM
HIS HOME AFTER HE THREATENED TO
KILL EVERYBODY.
THERE WERE REPORTEDLY
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CALLS TO HIS
HOMES, THAT THEY -- POLICE WERE
THERE ALL THE TIME, ALWAYS AT
THE HOUSE.
THAT’S NOT ENOUGH.
BUT, IF YOU THREATEN TO KILL
SOMEONE, YOU ARE ALONE OR CAN I
HAVE 19 OR 17 KNIVES AND THE
POLICE SAY THERE IS NO GROUND TO
ARREST YOU, I WOULD TAKE THAT
ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.
TO ME, THAT’S ENOUGH TO MAKE AN
ARREST.
WE ALSO KNOW HE HAS ATTEMPTED
SUICIDE, HAS MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES, AND I HAVE NOT TOUCHED
THE SOCIAL MEDIA YET.
IS THIS A SMALL TOWN?
>> CHICAGO.
>> IT’S A SUBURB.
THE LOCAL COPS SHOULD KNOW
WHAT’S GOING ON.
APPARENTLY, THE MAYOR SAID
SOMETHING THAT HELPED TYPE
CALLED THE PARENTS TO PICK THIS
KID UP SCHOOL.
IT’S LIKE HE DID NOT HAVE ANY
FAMILY AROUND HIM.
ONCE YOU ISOLATE EVERYTHING
AROUND HIM, YOU HAVE TO KNOW HE
IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING WRONG.
WHETHER OR NOT YOU KNOW THAT HE
WOULD TAKE DOWN PEOPLE IN A
PARADE IS DISGUSTING AND SAD.
I DON’T WANT TO GO ON TALKING
ABOUT RECOGNIZING THE HORRIBLE
PAIN THIS TOWN HAS BEEN IN, AND
THE POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS THEY
WILL HAVE AS A RESULT OF THIS,
BUT LET’S BE CLEAR ABOUT ONE
THING: WHEN WE FIND PEOPLE WITH
KNIVES AND GUNS, WE ARREST THEM,
KEEP THEM IN JAIL, AND CONVICT
THEM.
WHEN WE START RECOGNIZING THAT
THERE IS THAT HAVE TO BE IMPOSED
BEFORE YOU START GOING AFTER THE
SECOND AMENDMENT, MAY BE, THEN
WE CAN HAVE A LEGITIMATE
CONVERSATION.
SPEAK OF SPEAK OF THE SKIES
HOMICIDAL, SUICIDAL, ARMS TO HIS
TEETH, AND HAS FACIAL TATTOOS.
WHY CAN’T YOU THROW HIM IN A
STRAITJACKET? >> YOU HAVE A BIG PROBLEM
>> YOU HAVE A BIG PROBLEM
WITH -- A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, I THINK AT SOME POINT,
EVERYONE AROUND THE TABLE AND
COUNTRY HAS TO SORT OF WRESTLE
WITH HOW DO WE WANT TO
RECALIBRATE HOW WE THINK ABOUT
POLICE FIGHTING,
LAW ENFORCEMENT, OUR LOSS FOR
THE BOOKS, BE IT THE SHOOTING IN
CHICAGO OR HIGHLAND PARK.
WE HAVE TO SIT BACK AND
UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN’T GO TO
A CONCERT OR PARADE OR CHURCH OR
SCHOOL OR STANDOUT ON YOUR
CORNER, OR FOR THAT MATTER, CAN
YOU IMAGINE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO
DO HERE IN NEW YORK.
THE GUY WAS TALKING, AND ALL I
WAS THINKING WAS "IF THIS GUY
HAS A GUN, HE MIGHT FIRE AT US
AND AT THE CAR."
WHAT’S HARD ABOUT THIS, I TRY TO
TELL MY PARTY WITH ENERGY THAT
WE SHOULD BE DIFFERENT.
WE HAVE TO RESEND OUR POSITION
ON THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE.
WHY DO I SAY THIS?
NOT BECAUSE I DON’T WANT A GREEN
ENERGY PLATFORM IN THE COUNTRY,
BUT BECAUSE WE ARE AT WAR IN
UKRAINE AND THE RUSSIANS HAVE
THE UPPER HAND.
THE SAME WAY THAT EUROPE DEPENDS
SO HEAVILY ON OIL AND PRODUCTS
FROM RUSSIA, WE RELY ON
TECHNOLOGY FROM ASIA.
WE HAVE TO INVEST IN CONGRESS.
LOOK BACK AT GUNS AND WHERE WE
ARE.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY
CHALLENGE.
I’M NOT SAYING GUNS -- ONE OF
THE PRINCIPAL RULES OF THE
LEGISLATURE ANYWHERE IN THE
COUNTRY, AND WHEN A PROBLEM
PRESENTS ITSELF, EVERYONE HAS
GOT TO NOT RETREAT TO THEIR
SACRED CORNERS AND KEEP THEIR
SACRED POSITIONS ON THINGS THAT
SOUND GOOD ON A PIECE OF PAPER
OR SOUND BITE, BUT WE HAVE A
PROBLEM.
I’M NOT SAYING THAT REMOVING
GUNS IS THE ANSWER, BUT THE
TATTOOED FACES -- THESE GUYS ARE
21 AND YOUNGER, MOST OF OUR KIDS
FROM --
SHOULD LET THEM BUY GUNS.
THEY HAVE PROVEN NOT TO BE
RESPONSIBLE WITH GUNS, AND THIS
IS NOT AN ATTACK ON THE SECOND
AMENDMENT, IT IS AN ATTACK ON
PEOPLE TRYING TO KILL PEOPLE.
>> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY THAT
PERSON?
>> THAT’S WHERE WE SPEND OUR
MONEY AND TIME.
MENTAL HEALTH ISN’T THE ISSUE.
WE KNOW THE PROFILE OF THESE
KIDS.
WE HAVE TO ENSURE THEY DON’T GET
GUNS.
>> LOOKS LIKE THE OFFICIALS IN
ILLINOIS WOULD.
>> I AGREE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE
OF DIALOGUE AND TALKING POINTS.
YOU LOOK AT FRANCE’S ONEROUS
LAWS WHEN IT COMES TO GUNS, THE
PARIS ATTACK WHICH KILLED 129:
ILLEGAL WEAPONS.
THAT SHOOTING THAT ALMOST
HAPPENED ON A TRAIN WAS AN
ILLEGAL WEAPON.
VERY RARE, WE HAVE REPORTERS
ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, AN
EXAMPLE OF THEM -- HOW MANY
TIMES DID THEY ASK "WHY DIDN’T
YOU INVOLUNTARILY CONFINE HIM?"
IF I AM THE LEGISLATURE RIGHT
NOW IN ILLINOIS, I WOULD BE
LOOKING AT THE LAW FOR
INVOLUNTARY CONFINEMENT WHEN YOU
HAVE SOMEONE WITH THEIR PLANS --
SPECIFICALLY IN ADVANCE.
A KID LITERALLY DREW ON A PIECE
OF PAPER WHAT HE WAS ABOUT TO DO
THAT MORNING.
WE SAW THE INDIVIDUAL TEXT
SOMEONE SAYING THEY WANTED TO
SHOOT UP AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THEY ARTICULATE THEIR THREATS
50% OF THE TIME.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO
WHEN ARTICULATING THE THREAT,
BECAUSE LETTING THEM HAVE FREE
REIGN IS NOT THE ANSWER.
>> I THINK EVERY ONE OF THESE
CASES, THESE THEMES FIT A TYPE.
THEY ARE THESE VERY WHITE,
UNSTABLE, DISTURBING-LOOKING
PEOPLE.
I FEEL YOU CAN’T JUDGE A BOOK BY
ITS COVER, BUT IN SOME CASES YOU
CAN.
I THINK THERE’S A CORRELATION
BETWEEN DISTURBING, UNSTABLE
BEHAVIOR, AND PEOPLE WHO
DELIBERATELY TRY TO MAKE
THEMSELVES LOOK UNAPPEALING AND
UNAPPROACHABLE.
THAT COULD BE THEIR CRY FOR
HELP.
IF YOU --
THEIR CRY FOR HELP.
IF YOU LOOK AT ANTIFA -- I THINK
THERE IS A RED FLAG THERE THAT A
LOT OF PEOPLE -- WHEN SOMEONE IS
DELIBERATELY TRYING TO DEFACE
THEMSELVES PERMANENTLY, OR LOOK
IN A WAY THAT MAKES THEM
UNAPPROACHABLE, WHAT ARE THEY
TRYING TO TELL YOU?
IF BEAUTY IS THE GUIDE OF WHAT
IS POSSIBLE, THEN WHAT IS
UGLINESS?
WE DON’T ASK THAT ANYMORE, AS
PEOPLE CONTINUE TO DEFACE
THEMSELVES IN SO MANY DIFFERENT
WAYS.
I WILL BE AN OLD SAW ON THIS.
IT WAS NOT SUICIDE: IT WAS
SUICIDE PLUS, WHICH THE ONLY
REASON YOU DO THAT IS TO CREATE
A SPECTACLE FOR ATTENTION.
WORRIED THIS WOULD CREATE A
COPYCAT BECAUSE IT HAPPENED ON
THE HEELS OF THESE OTHER ONES.
THERE ARE ENOUGH MASS SHOOTINGS
TO SEE THESE TRENDS TO SEE THAT
THEY ARE CLOSELY YOUNG WHITE
MALES.
NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT YOU COULD
LOOK AT EACH ONE.
IF YOU TAKE THEM AWAY FROM GANG
SHOOTINGS, DOMESTICS, ANY KIND
OF GUN USE -- JUST LOOK AT
PEOPLE SHOOTING FOR THE SAKE OF
SHOOTING.
IT’S ALWAYS -- BY THE PREVIOUS
ATTACK.
IF YOU THOUGHT THAT YOU COULD
DECREASE THESE ATTACKS BY 30%,
WHY WOULDN’T YOU?
THE MEDIA COULD DO THAT.
WE COULD JUST REPORT THE FACTS
CANNOT BE ONE AND DONE AND
LEAVE, INSTEAD OF GIVING NONSTOP
COVERAGE.
REMEMBER, THE MEDIA CAN DECIDE
NOT TO COVER SOMETHING.
BORDER CHAOS, THE RIOTS.
LOOK AT THE AKRON, OHIO,
SHOOTING.
THEY SAID THAT THEY COVERED THE
60 SHOTS FROM THE POLICE, BUT
NOT THE FACT THAT THE GUY SHOT
FIRST.
HAVE TO LOOK AT THE STUFF AND
DECIDE "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH."
IF WE CAN DECREASE THE SHOOTINGS
SHOOTINGS, WHY DON’T WE?
>> I THINK WE NEED TO BE BETTER