well it finally happened after five and a half years of new Star Trek shows that felt more like
offshoots of the rebooted JJ Abrams Star Trek 2009 movie than an updated original series companion it
turns out that Discovery and strange new worlds are all now part of a totally new and different
Star Trek universe alternate universe like Fringe if you've wondered why the ships are
so much bigger they're so big why Klingons don't look like well Klingons they have two why Spock
now has a sister or why a Starfleet vessel has a Spore drive that travels on the mycenaeal network
via tardigrade power we now have an answer what kind of mushrooms did that guy put on Harper and
this isn't just a theory or a guess or anything like that this is cold hard facts straight from
the mouth of strange New World showrunner Akiva Goldman concerning the time travel events during
season 2 episode 3 of that show is this a win-win for all fans or is it Star Trek heresy 50 50 what
do you say when you hear the truth it will be shocking so you don't want to miss this episode
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how to get this awesome Star Trek design from The Amazing artists at mixteas.com so what that tells
me is we're in a completely different future on a completely different timeline have you been
watching Star Trek strange new worlds thinking why does Spock seem a bit off why is Pike cooking
every episode why did the Gorn look nothing like they do in the original series and why
does Kirk look like Jim Carrey call Scotty tell him to get this man out of it okay maybe not that
last one but if you look closely through both Discovery and strange new worlds you will find
lots of weird little inconsistencies that just don't make sense when you try to connect them to
the Legacy shows that laid the foundation of the franchise and now we know why well
Yes actually and some warped alternate universe thanks to the events of strange New World season
2 episode 3 titled Tomorrow tomorrow and tomorrow tomorrow on noonian Singh finds herself traveling
back in time with none other than Captain James T Kirk himself to stop someone from wiping out
her Strange New World's timeline as a descendant of Khan Union sing la'an is chosen by none other
than 29th Century Department of temporal investigations to make things right this
will turn out to not make much sense considering the larger implications of what has happened but
let's get back to that in a moment I'm from space LA on and Kirk are Zapped to Toronto
in 2022 which ironically just happens to be where filming for Strange New World season 2 took place
awesome way to save money right well come to find out that 2022 Toronto is also a hotbed for cold
fusion reactors as well as the home to one Khan Union sink you still remember in fact it is the
location of the noonian Singh Institute for cultural advancement whatever the hell that
is and that's not the craziest part this Con is about eight years old wait what did you just say
I can see you doing the math in your head that's right the con we know from the original series
episode space seed and Star Trek 2 the Wrath of Khan came to power as a full-grown man in 1992.
even taking a closer look at Star Trek Into Darkness who has a questionable con at best
also in an alternate universe they have Khan's birth as 1959. well in this episode of strange
new worlds we learned that romulans from the 21st century have been slowing human progress now for
years and a Romulan from the future has been trying to kill Khan for 30 years but apparently
tons of people have been trying to influence the events of Khan and the Eugenics Wars they've tried
to delay them or stop them and even hold temporal Wars have been fought over the events of the 1990s
and the Eugenics Wars who would have guessed her guess is as good as mine and that's the best we
got the Romulan from the future would explain that time itself is pushing back you know sort of like
Stephen King's 11 22 63 book about JFK you know where time like doesn't let them accomplish things
okay so did Khan just keep changing ages the whole time the Romulan was on Earth or how the heck is
this happening like you've been trying to kill Khan for 30 years but you can't and he's different
ages all right if you're confused you're not the only one this explanation literally makes no sense
like like zero since and to make matters worse they change the whole Star Trek universe with
just three lines of dialogue from a Romulan time is like a black box it's too complicated to leave
to intuition so frightening I suppose sometimes when you're doing something ridiculous you
probably have to expect a ridiculous result right ridiculous completely ridiculous or perhaps even
a silly one yeah right sure that's right according to showrunner Akiva goldsman this is a correction
to the Star Trek franchise because otherwise it's silly or Star Trek ceases to be in our universe
wait what wait what hold on there's more he also went on to say that we want Star Trek to be an
aspirational future we want to be able to dream our way into the Federation as a Starfleet I think
that is the fun of it in part and so in order to keep Star Trek in our timeline we continue to push
dates forward at a certain point we won't be able to do it but obviously if you start saying that
the Eugenics Wars were in the 90s you're kind of aspirational in terms of the real world [Music]
okay I want to let that sink in for a second the first thing that we need to understand from what
Goldman just said here is that he believes that Star Trek is an actual version of our future
well we have news for you Akiva we knew when the Eugenics Wars didn't break out 30 years ago that
Star Trek wasn't real not real we also knew it when the Enterprise crew didn't really show up
in 1984 to take humpback whales to the future or in 1968 to investigate a nuclear explosion
104 miles above the surface of the Earth the fact of the matter is Star Trek has never been
a part of our actual reality because it is a TV show I understand completely that it's just a TV
show Gene Roddenberry created a fictional show in the hopes that Humanity can be inspired to
a utopian future Utopia do goldsmen and the people who okayed this change have such low
opinions of our intelligence that we can't be inspired by Star Trek unless it's real do you
think Jane Roddenberry would say nah just push those dates out we're not there yet
no absolutely not nope he understood that us humans were smart enough to understand that it
is a TV show and that we are not only capable but created with the intent to continuously
improve as a species yeah hell yeah Star Trek is a shining star on the hill of what things can be the
show is a representation of hope we don't need to believe it's our actual future in order to strive
for utopian future and here's my second point to Goldman saying that they are making a correction
because otherwise it's silly Frankly Speaking what gives you the right to unilaterally decide
the things we can keep that Roddenberry created who do you think you are this just highlights one
of the huge problems we have in society today the belief that those in the upper class like
goldsmen need to spoon feed us lowly peasants everything because we aren't smart enough to
understand it on our own I have no regard for the peasant just take strange new worlds for example
season 2 episode 2 the courtroom drama they had to go back and show us everything that was said
as they were explaining it they just don't think we're smart enough well let me tell you something
Star Trek fans are smart probably the smartest people in the world yeah we're smart we are think
about all of the engineers and creative people and intelligent people who created inventions
because of Star Trek and Not only would we find it not silly that the Eugenics Wars happened 30
years ago in Star Trek we can easily understand that Star Trek is a fiction and not a documentary
I mean come on when I was sitting there on May 30th 1992 watching the Next Generation episode
the Inner Light I didn't just finish watching one of the best episodes of Star Trek ever and
think oh wow Khan didn't rise to power this year Star Trek isn't real screw this hope and idealism
nonsense I knew the show wasn't real but I was still in love with the message it brought me and
it gave me hope for the future it doesn't need to be real no it doesn't so is Goldman really that
foolish or is this really about something else very very foolish mistake I honestly don't know
whether to be relieved or infuriated on one hand it would be great to just feel like this newer
Star Trek just takes place in a different Universe we can stop trying to make the puzzle pieces fit
together and stop worrying about whether they'll change Star Trek history with all these prequels
that they keep doing I can't even begin to tell you the difference between Star Trek
and Lucas's Star Wars saga on the other hand did goldsmen just say that they changed all of Star
Trek for good he said Corrections so did he just delete every iteration of Star Trek that takes
place after strange new worlds and Discovery so basically everything ever created oh I hate that
it sounds like it doesn't it think about it if Khan didn't launch in 1996 he is not at the place
to meet the Enterprise in 2267 in the events of Spacey how long have you been sleeping two
centuries we estimate based on this new timeline Khan won't take power until the 2040s World War
3 won't happen now until the 2070s and when USS Botany Bay arrives at its future coordinates to
be woken up in 2297 it will be four years after Kirk disappears into the Nexus except this time
because it isn't real wrap your head around that how do you make a correction without
considering everything else you just changed in the future unless you were just deleting it
instead of stubbornly trying to hold on to the ridiculous notion that current Star Trek makes
sense to link up with the original series it would have been better for goldsmen to just
admit this for what it is a justification for not having enough money to do the episode right
episode 3 of strange new worlds is an episode they desperately wanted to do it's the whole reason
Carole King is even part of the Season as they needed a plot device to move forward for episode
three but more importantly strange new worlds didn't have the money to do an episode set in
the 1960s in order to go back and kill Khan as a child and put LA on in this impossible situation
Paramount would have had to Fork out more money than budgeted to make that happen and Frankly
Speaking the studio doesn't have it they're broke they don't have any power and if recent
reports are any indication unless Paramount does something soon to change things they can't afford
to keep making new Star Trek they couldn't buy a [ __ ] toaster they're broke their deadbeats so
that means doing the episode today the problem is it totally screws up the timeline after a little
thought well that's okay because the Eugenics Wars needed to be moved anyway case closed at
least according to Akiva goldsmen I really hate that man now unfortunately I'm going to tell you
something that might be upsetting just like Back to the Future and any good movie that makes any
sense Star Trek has always treated time travel as a single timeline bones out of his mind goes
back into the past and Kirk and Spock follow him to fix their future whales from 1984 to
fix their future and so on if that's the case everything we've loved is erased and nothing
Paramount creates in the future can continue the story in the timeline following TOS TNG
DS9 Voyager and Picard unless it works more like a Multiverse where each triple creates an
alternating my God but perhaps not perhaps we don't need to be so worried I'm still worried
thanks to the events of Star Trek 2009 we know that Star Trek can operate in multiple
universes Spock and Nero left one universe and created another so multiple universes in Star
Trek is possible for fans who want to watch strange new worlds without worrying about how
much they are screwing up Spock or Kirk now they can breathe a sigh of relief although
I too am a fan of both of roddenberry's Visions there is no version of Star Trek I do not enjoy
none thanks to these events by Akiva goldsmen and others we are quickly leaving behind what we knew
to be Canon and it is being replaced with our own headcanon what do I believe what do you believe
what well what do you believe bad writing going forward I know that the events of Discovery and
strange new worlds have absolutely nothing to do with what happened during TOs and TNG wow that's
good to hear so I'll be able to watch these shows and judge them on the Merit of the stories
they tell and the characters they develop now no longer worried if they'll make Spock an idiot or
a laughingstock my what we'll now be able to judge the character based on the development of this TV
show and not whether he will someday connect to Leonard Nimoy's Spock I would like the ship to go
now but with this comment I also say beware beware Akiva goldsman Alex kurtzman JJ Abrams and all you
creatives who have been gifted the care of a 57 year old franchise that has more than 626 hours
of content beware I'm warning you even Star Wars has only about 27 hours of content in
comparison oh hey come on it's not worth it man it's not worth it not worth it knowing that can
you blame some Star Trek fans for going nuts when new people change things not really 626 hours is
26 days and two hours of watch time and most of us have seen these shows a dozen times you watch Star
Trek I live it imagine spending a year of your life 24 hours a day watching Star Trek and not
having a strong opinion on where it's going in the future that is life that time is equivalent
to going to church every Sunday for 84 years I'm not trying to be sanctimonious here or even
say Star Trek is as important as going to church although I do know a few people who would argue
that I thought give your blasphemy the point is whoever is managing Star Trek you are caring for
a Global treasure respect it respect the fans and respect the Creator and the creatives who
made it possible for you to be a part of this show today Star Trek may not hang in a museum
but it is a Priceless piece of art and we would appreciate it if you were careful with it when you
take it out for a spin and I say this directly to Akiva goldsmen there is nothing silly about
what Gene Roddenberry created with Star Trek if change is inevitable predictable beneficial
logic demand that you'll be a part of it I would never tell you or anyone else to give up
hope there's a way out of every box a solution to every puzzle it's just a matter of finding it
and the only way to face it is to stand your ground but what do you think is this correction
to the Star Trek franchise a good move in your eyes or is it a mistake it was a mistake and do
you think like a Kiva that it's silly that the Eugenics Wars took place in the 1990s
like Roddenberry wanted or should we just keep moving it until it actually happens that's so
silly or perhaps at least until we have world war three world war three can't wait to hear what you
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