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- Car enthusiast, rejoice.
Okay, we're finally getting some things that make
people like you and people like me actually truly happy.
An Integra?
Finally!
a Nissan Z with the twin turbo six speed!
What the (silence) is that?
That's sick!
A new STI?
Well, that seems actually like pretty normal information.
That's just like a Subaru thing that they do.
And an even more track-oriented domestic sports car
that can turn?
Have you seen what some of these companies
are coming out with?
It's insane!
And let me tell you right now, we straight up
do not deserve this.
And when the bubble pops and all the companies go back
to only selling CUVs, we'll need to go back
into our little corner and beg for scraps.
But for now car guys and gals we're living large,
we're living in the future, okay.
But one of the first cars to truly start to push this
forward in all honesty and without being a little bit biased
any way, is the Toyota Supra.
Okay not the Mk4, but the Mk5!
I know it gets first place in this, but when it was released
people more angry that it didn't have the iconic 2JZ motor
power plant thing behind it.
I'm Alex, ALEX.FI on Instagram.
And today we're going to be talking about just why,
why would a company opt to change its iconic,
practically Bulletproof motor, for a BMW goodness
in the new Supra
And just why overall the 2JZ is now just a thing
of the past.
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Also by the way, I get it.
I own a silver car and a gray car and I talk smack
about there not being creative colors in the car community.
I get it, okay.
I understand that I also bought a conservative colored car
and painted a car that was spaghetti red also just gray.
They call it Grigio Silverstone, but it's gray.
Listen, I get it.
Okay that's why we're doing something fun with another build
that's coming up relatively shortly.
It's going to be awesome.
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Of course thanks for the love and the previous videos.
And of course telling you that I am a hypocrite
for talking about silver and gray cars,
even though all of my cars are silver and gray.
But let's get back to talking about this 2G jug.
This is a Toyota tower.
JZ loving GE electric having ass engine.
Okay the 2JZ was a Toyota manufactured engine
that was sent on to replace the M-series engine,
which had carried the manufacturer fairly far and wide.
That manufacturer being none other than, Toyota.
Actually quite longer than you think.
Okay the M-engine was actually in production from 1965
all the way up until 1993.
So you know that when Toyota was setting up
for replacement motor, the stakes and expectations
were higher than max for a step.
And qualifiers, specifically in the 2021 series,
where finally Red Bull has a chance!
Finally!
The 1J as it would be initially called would become
the legendary power pant that we'd all get to know and love.
The 2.5 liter, 24 valve dual red would come in various trims
and performance mods, some of the simple as
just a naturally aspirated variant
with like a 10 to one pressure, a 1JZ ETE,
which will be featured in quite a few platforms
and would ultimately end up getting the old twin tubskis.
Alright a little bit more power, a lower compression
for additional reliability but more overall
just everything that you'd want in a performance sedan
or coupe.
Now in the basic, most fundamental perspective
of this 1J and 2J thing are not the amount of turbos
that they have.
One's not one turbo versus two, but more focused
on the displacement that they carry.
1JS while incredibly powerful, have two and a half liters,
whereas the 2Js have three liters of displacement,
there's more to it, but in general sense,
that's what you need to know.
Okay the 1JZ was and is still known
as a more rev happy engine.
Whereas the 2JZ, it's a little bit of a longer stroke
with sequential turbos and has more of foundational
power plant range.
Now again generally speaking, but that's why a lot of people
have a little bit more fun with the 1Js,
while 2Js can be a little bit more, well robust.
The 2JZ was also right behind the 1J
and was in production in 1991 and got slapped
right into the Toyota Aristo.
Okay that would go on to compete with the Godzilla motor
that was known as the RB26 and RB respectively.
Toyota aimed to ensure that this power plant
could feed the performance-oriented enthusiasts
of the world and the rest of their platforms.
They wanted to make something cool,
but could also bring home the bacon.
I mean come on it's Toyota!
This is what they do you think they're gonna be risky
when it comes to research and development.
They're like the absolute opposite of Dodge.
They just wanted to go up against the RB26 and the RB30.
And that's exactly what they had planned to do.
The 1J and the 2J would be seen in the Mk2, the Crown,
the Brevis, the Altezza, the IS300, the GS300,
the Crown, the Chaser,the crust, to Pro J,
the Origin, the Soarer, the SC300.
And of course the one that we all know and love,
Toyota Supra.
But what made it so good?
Like why did people love it so much?
And why did Toyota put it in just about everything?
It's a really common question that can make you
feel in a little bit curious.
Okay, well first off Toyota just does that.
And that's why their vehicles are often declared as being
so reliable.
They avoid wasting time on various engine marks
because they can't focus on the popular platforms
or engines that they should.
Reliability generally means that you're gonna have
more focus just on less things, but not only that,
the JZ platform was exceptionally well-made.
It had the reliability of extra dollars
from the early nineties bubble.
And it had Toyota's name on it to be a direct competitor
with Nissan.
Sure, the four valves per cylinder were great.
And you had the dual cans which are also great and you had
to distribute tore-less, you know system and all that stuff
helped it.
But the 2JZ came out of the womb as like a balanced
breakfast for tuners.
It was built with almost everything in mind,
the iron block, while a little bit heavier was bulletproof
and laid the groundwork well for the sequential turbos
in its stock format.
And in the hands of enthusiasts, it was a great start
to a fantastic engine.
It has, you know second main bearings.
It's got forged steel crankshaft,
it has a fully closed deck, which essentially does
nothing more than keep the power plant essentially
in one piece.
Closed deck is something that you hear a lot in 2JZ world
and 30 seconds is nothing more than a reference
to how the engine casting is essentially designed.
Open-deck, right?
The opposite is where the cylinders are left
typically under supported and stands separate
from the block itself.
Which is great for cooling because
you don't have metal surrounding it,
but it's terrible for long-term or high power applications.
In the middle you have a semi-closed, which is
when the cylinders have some sort of metal support
around it, but still the majority empty.
Again, trying to help with cooling.
And closed-deck is when there's metal support
around the entirety of the cylinder wall,
practically everywhere and particularly
near the head.
Because of the rigidity and strength where the pressure
is at its highest, closed decks are often preferred to
when you're looking to build insane power plants,
specifically with turbo screaming right along next to it.
The 2JZ was a closed-deck engine platform.
It was simple as that, there now you'll learn something.
And while it was expensive, it was totally worth it
for the super platform.
And it was screaming right alongside almost everything else.
It was a serious contender when it came to being
one of the most powerplant-happy, reliable,
and community-loving power plants.
And then Toyota would end it in 2007.
I'm trying to breathe and I drank
because we're filming this in the evening and my brain,
my lungs don't know what to do.
So why?
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Okay, why would they do that?
The 2020 Toyota Supra came into this world
and the TikTok enthusiasts were tickled.
Alright they were tipped without the L,
that there wasn't a 30 year old engine in there
called a 2-J-Z alright.
So why, why would they do that?
Why would a company not bring it back?
And this is honestly a real question so many people
honestly ask.
And I'm glad you're here.
The 2JZ was a rocket ship of a power plant,
but it still had its own inherent weaknesses.
Please don't be mad at me forever saying that a 2JZ
isn't perfect, okay.
I get the internet has this infatuation with them,
but they are.
I'm just an educationer, that sells wheels, tires,
suspension, fitmentindustries.com.
The 2JZ did weigh on the company through its inability
to scale with increasing emission issues
and the tooling to keep making this close deck destructor
was beginning to get called up
by Toyota's Finance Departments.
Specifically as it went through the 90s
and into the early 2000s.
You have to remember, closed deck is a lot for work.
Over time as the 2JZ was declining in sales volume
across the board.
Ultimately a lot of what they were being replaced with
was sub-compact cars and compact cars and SUV's and SUVs
and really just smaller engine bays and smaller engines.
Toyota saw the writing on the wall and decided to ask
the idea of redeveloping the tooling for an all new
inline six engine for a low volume car segment,
which was literally creeping up on its death bed.
Specifically Toyota was selling in the world
and with EPA ran on their feet.
Toyota just really didn't want to deal with it that much.
The RB suffered from the same issue.
And as the economy began to realize that the Japanese market
was stuffing 500s underneath the Monopoly board
when nobody was looking,
they really didn't have the capacity to keep
building them anymore.
A lot of that bubble started to fade it
and with that companies like Nissan and Toyota
and Mitsubishi really started to feel the hurt of that.
So why doesn't the new Toyota super come with a 2JZ?
Well, it may be super easy for you to stab at Toyota
for partnering with BMW for the car, which is inherently
the first thing that a lot of do, but it was actually
one of the smartest things Toyota could have done
for this platform.
You have to remember that Toyota doesn't have the skillset
really to do a sports car completely that well anymore.
Particularly in the tuner market, now yes they have
smart models, they have the GR86 but the Supra is really
the only major major name plate Toyota has had
really since like the mid 90s.
So when you're looking to reintroduce such a vehicle
within your market price, that keeps you below
the one big daddy boy, the pumping Porsche.
Okay you have to partner up and take you know,
take out your friend and sorry, that's just how it goes.
And Toyota wasn't gonna be able to do it alone
so they went and they garnered BMW to help them out
in producing.
And to those that are doubting the partnership,
you really have to look at what people have already been
able to do with the new Toyota supra.
I mean, it is pretty astounding.
It's an inline six balance and it comes from the
same few key improvements.
One, the B58 is a closed deck just like the 2JZ.
And while that can come with some weight additions,
it's already what's allowed enthusiasts to kick the B58's
power up to 700 to 800 horsepower or more.
Already, and the car's not even more than three years old,
you get air to water intercooler which plugged the N54s
and 55s, which is again another nod that BMW
and Toyota work together to minimize the known weak points
of this partnership.
Toyota badge reliability, BMW sports car.
It has a heat module to help with the closed deck design.
They moved the vinyls, the radiator, the timing chain
to the back for weight distribution,
'cause they knew it was a front engine or is going to be
a front heavy engine.
Mechanics are gonna be really upset about it, but Hey,
it's more bounced this way.
They got rid of the high pressure lines on the M55,
so that the fuel delivery system is directly attached
to minimize pressure loss.
This also helps with more power.
At the end of the day, what more could you want?
The B58 and its introduction into the Toyota Supra
is different than what Toyota has done in the past,
but based on the success of the 2JZ, what it did right
and what people love about it, is the same reason
that I believe people will love or learn to love the B58
that's located in the new Toyota Supra.
It is going to be an absolute power plant.
But what do you think?
should we just take the 30 year old motor back
and scale to a 1,000 horsepower and 2JZ or nothing?
Or do you just go take a B58 and do the same god damn thing?
I mean honestly, I don't know what else you want.
You either Charizard Charizard forever
or you can choose to evolve it.
Okay in my opinion you're kind of a dick
If you leave it as is.
But let us know below and if you're looking
for aftermarket wheels, tires, or suspension,
be sure to hit us up over at fitmentindustries.com.
I'm Alex from Fitment Industries.
I'm gonna to have my Cayman Jack and we will see you later.
Peace!
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