- [Kyle Strobel] Yes.
I think this is one of the most disconcerting phenomenas we see in our
culture today, and we constantly see it infiltrating the church as well.
You know, one of the problems is there, well, there's a lot of books and things
like that, that go directly under the kind of banner of self-help.
The problem is there's quite a lot that don't that are still just self-help.
So, if you went into a bookstore and went to a Christian living section, sadly,
what you'd find is a lot of books on self-help that have just been kind
of redone with Christian veneer.
They've been kind of dressed up in Christian garb.
But at the end of the day, they're just self-help.
And even more disconcerting is this is even true of kind of serious academic
books where at the end of the day what we find is something just like Aristotle.
Right? We can habituate practices.
We habituate these things.
We develop habits.
Suddenly, we are transforming ourselves into people of character.
See, at the end of the day, that's not what sanctification is about.
That's not primarily what growth in godliness is about.
And unfortunately, we see this popping up in all sorts of different areas
in the church, whether it's spiritual practices, whether it's
spiritual disciplines, whether it's liturgy.
All of these things can be used as forms of self-help if we're not careful.
So that question is, well, then what does it mean to be careful
about these things?
Well, I think first and foremost, we need to constantly re-more these
questions to what does it mean to be holy as God is holy.
In other words, how do we understand doctrine of sanctification but then also,
what is the nature of grace, and what's the nature of receiving and sharing
in that grace?
In the Protestant tradition, we talked about means of grace,
not really spiritual disciplines.
See, the problem with spiritual discipline language is people are getting to think,
"Oh, I know what a discipline is.
If I do his, I'll better myself.
I'll become a different kind of person."
That's not being holy as God is holy.
Means of grace are means of kind of receiving and sharing in God's life.
But then the second problem is that, that word "self" right at the beginning
of self-help that the word...
The second we give ourself to self-help, we are capitulating to a culture that
assumes that self is centered, and now I just give myself to things
to better myself, to identify myself.
We really need to hear Jesus here, that if you try to save your life,
you lose it.
But if you lose it for my sake, you'll find it.
We need to heed what Paul says in Colossians 3:3, "Your life is hidden
with Christ in God."
If you want to discover yourself, you discover yourself in Christ.
You don't somehow create a self.
You don't establish a self.
You discover it in him.
You need to be open to laying yourself down so, not for the sake of just laying
itself down, but so that you can receive your true identity in him.
- [Jamin Goggin] Yeah.
I think, Kyle, as a pastor, what comes up for me is the sense for people
that oftentimes God is viewed simply as another resource to kind of have the life
that I have already determined is meaningful, and valuable, and successful.
And sadly, I think oftentimes that maybe have even heard the gospel presented that
way where we hear a lot about Jesus and what he's done. But the end of the sermon
kind of lands with, "And here are some things you can do to kind of address these
areas of your life that we all know you want to do better in so that you can feel
maybe more okay with yourself in your life."
And a language that's become, I think, really common, in the maybe more pastoral
circles I run in, is the language of human flourishing.
And I think it's really good language if it's understood properly.
But I think it's language that actually does touch on something that many
of my people in my church and many of the churches I interact with do kind
of understand, namely that kind of on this trajectory of becoming a more kind
of thriving self.
And where human flourishing concerns me is if it's anchored in this notion of kind
of self-actualization that I have certain capacities, and strengths, and abilities.
And if I can just kind of home in on those and kind of my will can meet those with
the right amount of ferv, and effort, and engagement I can kind
of construct a life and a self that I can feel okay with.
And God is really just a resource to help me get there and maybe he's the
best resource, maybe his principles are the best principles.
But that's all he really has provided me is another way to actualize myself.
The Scripture presents this radical other notion about human flourishing that
actually human flourishing isn't grounded in self-actualization but in abiding.
Right? It's not the actualized self that is flourishing but the abiding self
that is flourishing.
It moves us into all these other categories of dependence, and
trust, and reliance.
The passage that surfaces for me right away as we talk about this is John 15
that "Abide in me, and I in you, for apart from me, you can do nothing."
Of course, in the Greek, it's what's called double negation, right,
where Jesus is kind of literally inferring you can do nothing, really nothing.
It's one of those rare cases where Greek is actually helpful to bring up in talking
about a passage.
Jesus is making this emphatic point that if you abide in me you will flourish.
You'll bear much fruit.
But apart from me, you can do nothing, really nothing.
There's this whole other philosophy of life that says flourishing actually comes
from a deep dependence, and trust in me that power is really known in weakness,
that strength that we have found in places where you recognize apart from me you
can do nothing.
And so, as Kyle said, there is a place, of course, in the Christian life, we're
talking about practices.
But I think the point he makes is the important one.
These are means of grace.
In other words, they are means by which we commune with Christ and come to know what
it means to truly abide in him.
There are means by which we draw near to him and the truth of our frailty, and our
weakness, and our failure, and we ask for his help by the work of the Holy Spirit
in our lives.