( BAND PLAYING ) >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY!
WELCOME BACK TO "THE LATE SHOW"!
MY NEXT GUEST IS A MUSICIAN WHOSE ALBUMS HAVE HIT NUMBER ONE
IN OVER 60 COUNTRIES.
PLEASE WELCOME TROYE SIVAN!
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) ( BAND PLAYING )
>> Stephen: HEY!
HEY!
>> Stephen: NICE TO MEET YOU.
THANKS FOR COMING ON.
THE PEOPLE LOVE YOU, RIGHT?
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) WELL, WHAT IS THAT LIKE?
YOU WERE ALREADY A BIG YOUTUBE STAR, AND YOU'VE GONE TO BE A
BIG POP STAR.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE, IF ANY, BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS?
>> I FEEL LIKE THE MOMENT WHERE IT STARTED TO FEEL REALLY REALLY
DIFFERENT WAS, SO, TAYLOR SWIFT, I WANTED TO GO TO HER SHOW BUT I
DIDN'T WANT TO PAY FOR TICKETS, SO I'M, LIKE, MAYBE I CAN USE
THIS, LIKE, NEW POP STAR THING TO TRY AND GET SOME FREE
TICKETS.
SO I GOT, LIKE, MY MANAGER TO EMAIL HER MANAGER, THEN SHE WAS,
LIKE, YOU CAN COME TO THE SHOW IF YOU SING WITH ME ON STAGE.
SO I WAS, LIKE, COMPLETELY FLOORED BY THIS, FREAKED OUT,
BUT I WAS, LIKE, THIS IS MY WAY TO GET FREE TICKETS, I'M GOING
TO DO IT FOR SURE.
( LAUGHTER ) AND, SO, THEN, NEXT THING YOU
KNOW, I WAS, LIKE, POPPING UP ON THE STAGE.
I GOT IN A LITTLE ELEVATOR -- >> Stephen: THEY HAVE THAT FOR
PEOPLE WHO ARE GUESTS?
>> SHE HAS THAT.
>> Stephen: WOW.
AND THEN I JUST LOOKED OUT AND I SAID, THESE ARE MORE
PEOPLE THAN I'VE EVER SEEN IN ONE PLACE.
>> Stephen: WHERE WAS THE STADIUM?
>> THE ROSE BOWL IN L.A.
>> Stephen: THAT'S BIG.
IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.
HONESTLY, I STARTED TO FEEL REALLY FAINT IN THE MOMENT I
WAS, LIKE, OMIGOD!
I'M GOING TO FAINT AND PASS OUT IN FRONT OF ALL THESE PEOPLE.
I TRIED TO CALM DOWN AND LOOKED AT MY FEET TO GROUND MYSELF, BUT
SHE HAS THESE WEIRD L.E.D.
SCREEN FLOORS, SO I WAS, LIKE, I'M 100% TRIPPING ON ACID RIGHT
NOW.
( LAUGHTER ) I'M, LIKE, I'M GOING TO LOOK TO
THE PERP ON STAGE AT ME AND CALM DOWN BY LOOKING AT A PERSON UP
CLOSE INSTEAD OF THESE MASSIVE PEOPLE AND LOOKED AT HER AND I
WAS, LIKE, OMIGOD!
THAT'S TAYLOR SWIFT.
>> Stephen: THE MOVIE IS CALLED "BOY ERASED."
WHAT IS THE "BOY ERASED" ABOUT?
>> THE MOVIE IS PREMIERING AT TORONTO FILM FESTIVAL IN THREE
DAYS.
I'M SO EXCITED.
( CHEERING ) IT'S A MOVIE ABOUT -- IT'S BASED
OFF A TRUE STORY, THIS GUY NAMED GARRETT WROTE A BOOK ABOUT HIS
EXPERIENCE.
HE CAME OUT TO HIS PARENTS, HE'S GAY AND GOT SENT TO CONVERSION
THERAPY CAMP WHERE THEY TRY TO TURN HIM STRAIGHT AND HE
THANKFULLY SURVIVED AND MADE IT OUT AND WROTE A BOOK ABOUT IT,
AND I GOT THE SCRIPT AND JUST, LIKE, WAS PUNCHED IN THE GUT BY
IT, AND JUST KNEW THAT I REALLY, REALLY BADLY WANTED TO BE A PART
OF IT.
>> Stephen: I'VE HEARD -- THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF REPORTING
ABOUT CONVERSION CAMPS IN THE UNITED STATES, SOME STATES AND
CITIES HAVE OUTLAWED THEM.
DID YOU GO SEE WHAT SOME OF THE TRAINING WAS, OR DID YOU GO
THROUGH ANY OF THE EXERCISES THAT THEY PURPORT TO PRAY AWAY
THE GAY?
>> YES, WHEN WE ARRIVED ON SET DAY ONE, THEY GAVE US THE
RESOURCES KIDS WOULD TYPICALLY GET WHEN THEY A
ACTUALLY PRINTED OUT RESOURCES, THEY'RE FULL OF, LIKE,
TESTIMONIALS.
THERE ARE RULES, LIKE, YOU CAN SHAKE SOMEONE'S HAND VERY
BRIEFLY BUT NEVER TOUCH SOMEONE ELSE ON THEIR BODY.
GIRLS HAD TO CARRY AROUND HANDBAGS AND COULD ONLY WEAR
SKIRTS, AND BOYS COULDN'T WEAR THINGS THAT WERE TOO TIGHT.
AND JUST THESE RULES.
I THINK THE THING WAS, LIKE, MOST HURTFUL ABOUT IT, EVEN
EXPERIENCING IT THROUGH THE SAFETY BLANKET OF THESE
CHARACTERS AND THROUGH DOING IT IN A MOVIE, I REMEMBER BEING SO
RELIEVED -- I'M GAY, BYçó THE WAY --
( LAUGHTER ) -- I REMEMBER BEING SO RELIEVED
WHEN I CAME OUT TO MYSELF BECAUSE I WAS, LIKE, OKAY, THIS
IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN CHANGE, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING
THAT I HAVE TO FIGHT ANYMORE, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I HAVE
TO NAVIGATE AND, LIKE, ACCEPT.
AND, SO, THAT WAS THE BIG MOMENT FOR ME.
THE SECOND THAT THESE KIDS OR SOMETIMES ADULTS ARRIVED AT
THESE CAMPS, THAT WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM AND THEY WERE TOLD
IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, NO, THIS IS NOT -- YOU WEREN'T BORN LIKE
THIS, THIS IS A HOLE YOU ARE TRYING TO FILL WITH THESE
HOMOSEXUAL TENDENCIES.
IMAGINING BEING 15 AGAIN WHEN I WAS SORT OF AT MY MOST
VULNERABLE AND HAVING THAT PUT BACK ON ME AND BEING SET UP WITH
THAT IMPOSSIBLE TASK OF TRYING TO CHANGE THIS THING THAT
ULTIMATELY IS, LIKE, UNCHANGEABLE, IT'S JUST ONE TO
HAVE THE MOST DAMAGING THINGS I CAN IMAGINE AND, SO, I LIKELY
HOPE THAT THE MOVIE IS GOING TO SPEAK TO MOSTLY I REALLY WANT TO
COMMUNICATE WITH PARENTS AS TO, YOU KNOW, JUST HOW MUCH YOUR
REACTION TO YOUR KID COMING OUT CAN REALLY SHAPE THEIR LIVES.
>> Stephen: WE HAVE A CLIP HERE.
>> I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING.
>> Stephen: YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING?
I'VE SEEN IT, IT'S QUITE GOOD.
JIM, LET'S WATCH IT.
>> ARE YOU OKAY?
I'M FINE.
FINE.
>> I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME ADVICE.
PLAY THE PART.
SHOW THEM IT'S WORKING, YOU'RE GETTING BETTER.
FAKE IT UNTIL YOU MAKE IT.
RIGHT?
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> THANK YOU.
>> Stephen: YOU HAVE A NEW ALBUM CALLED "BLOOM."
TONIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY US A SONG IN JUST A MINUTE CALLED
"PLUM."
WHAT'S IT ABOUT?
>> OOOH, SO THIS ONE -- UM, PLUM'S ABOUT -- HAVE YOU EVER,
LIKE, WOKEN UP NEXT TO SOMEONE AND BEEN, LIKE, YOU KNOW I DON'T
THINK THIS IS GOING TO WORK OUT?
( LAUGHTER ) AND, LIKE, ANDETH REALLY SAD
BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF ABOUT LIKE THE IDEA THAT EVEN THE MOST
BEAUTIFUL, PURE, SWEET THING REQUEST EVENTUALLY KIND OF ROT.
>> Stephen: I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR THE SONG.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANKS SO MUCH.
>> Stephen: "BOY ERASED" IS IN THEATERS NOVEMBER 2.
>> AND HE GOES ON TOUR THIS MONTH.
TROYE SIVAN, EVERYBODY.