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Thanks for tuning in to another final prices video on ForgottenWeapons.com
This will be prices from the May 2019 auction at Rock Island.
Remember these prices all include a 15% buyer's premium in addition to the hammer price.
So we will start off with this trio of engraved Glock 19's.
They were sold individually.
They all kind of slightly exceeded their price estimates.
To my mind they didn't sell in the order of the amount of engraving on them,
but they kind of did sell in the order how nice they look.
That middle one was my favorite of the bunch.
The Whitney Wolverines went for about what I would have expected.
$2,000 to about double that for the nickel one.
I mentioned this in my original video on the Wolverine.
If you are considering getting a nickeled Whitney Wolverine there were very few of them and they are in a very specific serial number range.
Beyond that if you're not aware of the serials, they're very easy to fake.
So be very careful.
This one was real but not all of them are
There were actually two Walther Model 3s in this auction.
They're a pretty rare pistol,
but I think they're clearly also a pistol that
where the value benefits from the fact that they are German because both of the ones in this auction went for
exactly $4,600 that be a hammer of four thousand plus 15%
They're both really nice examples, but there's a lot of pocket pistols from this period that don't quite bring that money.
This was the biggest
surprise to me of all the prices were gonna see in this video the St Etienne retail marked Luger.
It's a DWM Luger that was sold at St Etienne in France before World War I.
They made... they sold something like 200, 250.
I don't remember the exact number now.
I have one.
I got mine for like less than 10% of this price
So either, I got a really great deal or a couple people really fought over this one and drove the value way up.
The Luger conversion...
Honestly wasn't exactly sure where I would have expected this to go.
In addition to the parts here,
of course it did come with a really nice condition original box.
Which is good for the collector sort of folks.
It's a pretty cool conversion.
It is specifically for 765 Swiss Lugar's. So a particularly cool accessory for those.
Now going forward here.
We're gonna look at a couple of pistols and then a number of...
antique rifles as well.
What's interesting to me is we're kind of gonna see this,
price point that keeps coming back of between $3,000 and $4,000.
I don't know that you can extrapolate from just this selection of sales,
but there are a lot of antique collectible guns that are falling into that range.
I think what we're seeing is a lot of people...
Here we have a Joslyn Army right in that same range $3,100, $3,200.
I think we're seeing a lot of people who are interested in this sort of thing, and have some money to spend on it.
They look at things and they're like well, you know these are cool.
My budgetary limit tops out at maybe $5,000 or $4,000.
There are a lot of things that I will buy because I find them interesting in the $3,000 to $4,000 range.
Once you get above that...
the number of people interested really starts to taper off.
Now the Old Army here was in a little bit rougher conditions than some of the other guns.
I believe it's a somewhat more common piece as well.
So we had a little bit less here.
Just under $2,000.
It's an interesting trend that I saw looking across a lot of the different guns.
Now Colt Aircrewman,
I told you in the video this was an exceptionally rare gun and well $11,000 says I wasn't wrong.
There are a lot of Smith and Wesson air crewmen revolvers out there,
but the Colt model because it was,
basically pulled and replaced because of it... well pulled and destroyed usually because of its aluminum cylinder.
Very few of those are around and there are a lot of die-hard Colt collectors who want one.
The one item that we're gonna look at today that I did video on that didn't actually sell was the 1927 Thompson
This was the factory semi-auto Thompson. However, because it's receiver is effectively identical to a machine gun
These are still NFA registered guns.
The estimate on this was $45,000 to $75,000.
Which I think was pretty high and usually that's why a gun doesn't sell as it doesn't meet a reserve minimum price.
Looking at a couple of the other machine guns that were here.
They had a transferable M37.
This is like the product improved final S version of the Browning tank machine gun...
$20,000 plus 15% gives you 23 grand.
A pretty cool gun...
but this kind of falls into that area like some of the heavy machine guns out there.
Where there just aren't all that many people looking for tripod mounted machine guns for this kind of money.
Now the Portuguese 938 which is a German MG13.
This was a pre-86 dealer sample.
Dealer samples generally bring a lot less than transferable guns.
However, a pre-86 sample means that if a dealer gives up their license, they get to retain ownership of guns like this one.
So in some ways it's a half way between transferable and a sample.
So $23,000 makes sense to me.
These are quite rare.
The Knoch pistol honestly brought more than I thought it would.
We're seeing that same sort of $3,000 to $4,000 range for a lot of these guns.
This particular one was quite rare, but also again in fairly rough condition
Missing some parts and frozen pieces on it.
So hopefully who ever got that will enjoy it.
It's certainly an interesting addition to a collection of needle fire guns.
It's not the only needle fire that we had in this auction.
There was also this Merckelbagh needle fire conversion.
Once again, it's at the low end but we're seeing basically $3,000 to $4,000.
This one was in nicer condition than the Knoch pistol but very much an interesting esoteric collectors gun.
I don't think anyone's going to actually shoot this guy.
We're gonna continue looking at some of the other rifles the North and Skinner.
Once again, like I said $3,000 to $4,000.
We have another one that falls into this range.
Revolving rifles are cool.
This one had a particularly interesting...
chamber sealing system where there's basically a wedge lock.
That pushes the cylinder forward and nests the chamber on to the barrel to prevent gas blow by.
It's a very cool system, but it's a limited number of people who are interested.
Once again not to continue repeating myself, but 3 to 4 grand,
this bolt-action conversion of a French musket...
French rifled musket...
Honestly, I considered bidding on this one myself and just didn't have the budget to do it.
It's a, I think, it's a pretty cool gun
But again, it's you know
It's a very specific thing and it's not the sort of gun that you're gonna go out and shoot.
Now the one area where we can kind of break out of this $3,000 to $4,000 range,
are guns that are a little more substantially historical.
A Belgian Trials rifle falls into that.
Not by a lot,
but,
this, I think, is really cool.
There going to be people out there who are interested in Trials rifles from,
you know,
the turn of the century and the Marga is a really neat example that you're probably not gonna see another example of.
Compare that to a gun like an 1892 Mauser,
very rare,
but they did mass-produce them.
You know they did make a couple thousand of these all told.
So while they show up pretty infrequently.
They fall back into that $3,000 to $4,000 price range of people who have the money to do it,
but you know not a ton of money.
We're not just throwing money around for no reason.
So, and then kind of like the Marga the Schlegelmilch is,
another very significant trials rifle.
We get that German benefit here.
Where this rifle competed directly against the Mauser 98.
That makes it a lot more interesting in a lot of people's eyes.
Than something like a Marga where...
just based on mechanical characteristics.
It's not necessarily all that distinct,
you know,
the two of them share a lot of,
overall features,
anyway.
Someone I think got a pretty darn good value on this guy.
Two grand for an authentic Cold War sniper rifle is a,
pretty slick deal.
Hopefully they enjoy it.
I think that's a really cool piece of kind of east meets west.
You know a mauser action with a Soviet Mosin-Nagant PU scope on it.
Very cool.
I think that was in good condition,
someone did well on that.
This goes back into our same price range,
but to be honest,
I'm kind of surprised it got that high.
This particular example was really quite rough.
I think there's some replacement parts on it.
There's damage to it.
I didn't think it would get this high.
Now turret rifles of all sorts are quite rare,
and in this case at least,
rare enough that someone was willing to spend over $3,000,
to have an example of the Genhart.
The other one that really surprised me was the Morse.
Now these are extremely scarce guns,
But this this is one gun,
out of what was originally a three-part cased package.
It's got some missing parts.
It had a bunch of damage.
You can see the the chip out of the stock on the tang in this picture.
And yet it brought $4,6000.
So someone really wanted this gun.
Then the last one which you may not even remember.
This was the very first video from the series I posted way back in,
February on Valentine's Day.
So I don't know who out there exactly is spending
$12,000 on Bobby Ford's erotic Deringer pistol,
but I hope they enjoy it.
It was a, really, really
fun gun to take a look at.
The sort of thing that you really don't see coming up very often,
and proof that really everybody out there has a sense of humor.
So, thank you guys for watching,
Hopefully enjoyed the recap of the prices and stay tuned. We'll have another auction series coming up in a couple months.