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JACKIE: NATIONAL SECURITY
SOURCES TELL FOX THAT CHINA HAS
BEEN QUIETLY CHEERING ON RUSSIA
BEHIND THE SCENES AS THIS IS ALL
PLAYING OUT.
THIS IS COMING AS ATTORNEY
GENERAL MERRICK GARLAND IS
LOOKING TO ROLL BACK PARTS OF
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT PROGRAM
AIMED AT COMBATING CHINESE
ESPIONAGE ON THE UNITED STATES.
THIS WAS A PROGRAM STARTED UNDER
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION BACK IN
2018 BUT REMEMBER WHEN AG
GARLAND SAID JUST FOUR MONTHS
AGO.
>> PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF CHINA IS
A SERIOUS THREAT TO OUR
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.
THEY REPRESENT A SERIOUS THREAT
WITH RESPECT TO ESPIONAGE.
JACKIE: JOINING ME NOW GATESTONE
INSTITUTE SENIOR FELLOW GORDON
CHANG, THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK OF
THE "COMING COLLAPSE OF CHINA."
GORDON, GREAT TO SEE YOU.
WHEN IT COMES TO ROLLING BACK
THE RULES WITH RESPECT TO CHINA
SPYING ON US, ESSENTIALLY WHAT
THEY CAN DO HERE, THE AGENCY IS
MAKING AN ABOUT FACE HERE.
THIS IS ISSUE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS
PASSIONATE ABOUT.
HE TOOK A TOUGH LINE WITH CHINA.
TOOK A TOUGH LINE WITH CHINA.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS UNRAVELING
NOW AS YOU CAN SEE.
>> THIS IS INEXPLICABLE, JACKIE,
THE FBI OPENS UP A CASE ON
CHINESE ESPIONAGE EVERY 10
HOURS.
IT HAS 2,000 ACTIVE CASES.
WHEN JOHN RATCLIFFE WAS DIRECTOR
OF INTELLIGENCE IN NOVEMBER OF
2020, HE WROTE AN OP-ED CHINA
WAS STEALING $500 BILLION EACH
OF U.S. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.
SOME PEOPLE PUT THAT NUMBER A
LITTLE BIT MORE.
SOME PEOPLE SAY 600 BILLION,
WHATEVER IT IS IT IS FAR TOO
HIGH.
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE
DEVOTING MORE RESOURCES TO THIS,
NOT SCALING BACK ITS EFFORT.
JACKIE: SPEAKING OF THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT, THIS IS A QUOTE
COMING OFF OF ITS WEBSITE, OKAY?
IT SAYS QUOTE, ABOUT 80% OF ALL
ECONOMIC ESPIONAGE PROSECUTIONS
DOJ, ALLEGE CONDUCT THAT WOULD
BENEFIT THE CHINESE STATE.
THERE IS AT LEAST SOME NEXUS TO
CHINA IN AROUND 60% OF ALL TRADE
SECRET THEFT CASES THIS IS A
CONVERSATION THAT WE’VE BEEN
HAVING FOR QUITE SOME TIME,
THERE IT IS IN PRINT RIGHT THERE
YET WE’RE NOT DOING AS MUCH
ABOUT IT AS WE COULD BE?
>> YES.
THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS
BEEN UNDER ATTACK FROM PEOPLE,
ASIAN-AMERICANS, YOU KNOW,
INVESTIGATING CHINA CREATES
ASIAN-AMERICAN HATE.
BY THE WAY, THE CHINESE
COMMUNIST PARTY IN ITS
PROPAGANDA ORGANS PROPAGATES
THIS NARRATIVE AS WELL.
IF YOU KNOW THAT CHINA IS BEHIND
THIS, THEN YOU CAN SORT OF
UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE IT IS NOT
A GOOD IDEA TO LET OFF THE GAS
ON INVESTIGATIONS OF CHINESE
ESPIONAGE BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE
CASES IT IS NOT JUST I.P. THEFT.
IT IS GOING FOR NATIONAL
SECURITY SECRETS THIS IS JUST
SOMETHING THAT THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO
UNDERSTAND AND DESPITE THE
PRESSURES ITS UNDER IT NEEDS TO
PROSECUTE EVEN MORE.
JACKIE: LET ME SWITCH GEARS WITH
YOU FOR A MOMENT SINCE I HAVE
YOU SINCE YOU’RE A EXPERT ON
THIS SUBJECT.
I DON’T FIND THE TIMING OF THIS
INVASION COINCIDENTAL AT ALL.
THEY SAID THEY WOULD WAIT UNTIL
THE END OF OLYMPICS.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID.
THAT PUTIN IS STRENGTHENING HIS
ALLIANCE WITH PRESIDENT XI
XINPING AS WELL.
SOME ARE SAYING WHILE THERE IS
CHAOS OVER HERE PRESIDENT XI MAY
GO AFTER TAIWAN.
YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?
>> WELL, YES, YOU KNOW EVEN
DURING THE OLYMPICS, JACKIE, ON
FEBRUARY 5, CHINA FLEW A PLANE
DIRECTLY OVER TAIWAN ISLAND.
THEY HADN’T DONE THAT IN MORE
THAN FOUR DECADES WITHOUT
PERMISSION.
AND THAT IS AN ACT OF WAR.
SO EVEN BEFORE THE OLYMPICS WERE
OVER CHINA WAS RAMPING UP
PRESSURE ON TAIWAN.
WE CAN ALSO SEE THAT THEY’RE NOW
GOING AFTER INDIA IN A MORE
DETERMINED FASHION AND IN
GENERAL, THEY HAVE BEEN
PRESSURING THE PHILIPPINES AND
JAPAN MORE THAN THEY HAVE IN THE
PAST.
SO THIS IS CHINA GOING AFTER
MANY OF ITS NEIGHBORS ALONG THE
SOUTHERN AND EASTERN
PERIPHERIES.
JACKIE: THIS IS AN
ADMINISTRATION, GORDON THAT TO
ME SEEMS LIKE NOT ONLY WERE THEY
GET UP AND SAY WE DON’T HAVE ANY
FOREIGN POLICY WINS TO SPEAK OF
BUT NOW TO DEALING AND COMBATING
FOREIGN POLICY CRISES AT THE
SAME TIME.
YOU JUST WONDER HOW THIS IS ALL
GOING TO PLAY OUT?