- I think as a songwriter there is that urge to connect.
There is that urge to say like,
this is how I feel sometimes and then have fans say,
oh my God,
like I feel that way sometimes too.
And I think a documentary, if you are open enough,
you can connect with people.
I tell you that you'll never find another like me-he-hee.
- Being in the studio was,
that was some of my favorite stuff that we filmed.
- That was the first time I've ever had
a camera crew in the studio.
It's always been really off limits.
It was actually amazing having you in the studio
because like we'd finish writing a song
and like a sound guy would be like,
that's a really good song.
It'd be like, thank you.
Actually we never get this in the studio.
Nobody ever is like,
hey that's a good one.
- Right, keep going, keep going.
- I just honestly had no idea
how it would affect the creative process.
We ended up with you in the studio
writing songs like "Me" and "The Man".
♪ Hey then I'd be the man ♪
♪ I'd be the man ♪
That is a concept I've thought about for so many years
but I just always thought like,
I want to say it in a way that's like a satire.
And it's kind of like kinda funny.
But it's also making a very serious point.
I think when I hit on this idea of like,
if I was a man, I'd be the man.
Like you guys would think I was so cool
if I was doing this stuff and I was a guy.
Like you know.
And I could get away with this,
I could get away with this,
I could get away with this.
I'd get applauded for this.
♪ We drink to the pen and the bottles ♪
♪ To the bitches and models ♪
♪ To the da-da da-da da-das ♪
Working with Joel Little
who has two very strong, wonderful,
intelligent young daughters.
And I think he was writing for them.
And I love showing that we really do have allies
in the male civilization.
- What I love about the scene in the film is that
you know sometimes the camera is right here
as you come up with a lyric.
How much did you notice that?
- I mean I think yeah, I know what you mean.
'Cause you really were very close to my face
in a lot of that.
I don't think we ever like asked you guys
like can you go?
'Cause you just weren't invasive at all.
I think I was really in my feelings.
I just get really in it when I'm writing a song.
And I disappear into my phone
because my phone is where I keep my notes
and my phone is where I'm editing.
♪ Oh da-da ♪
♪ The field ♪
♪ I know I found someone to commit to ♪
Every time I wake up in the middle of the night,
or every time I think of a title,
or every time I think of a common phrase and flip it,
I love doing that.
I'll put it in my notes.
- Yeah there was a real speed to it too.
Like it seems like writing a song has
a kind of dynamic
where you go, go,
and you kind of have to keep going for many hours.
A lot of the time until it's done.
- Yeah I have to do that.
Everyone's different with their writing.
A lot of people are stop-start.
I know people who will write a verse for one song
and decide to just put it on another song.
Or like, I like this chorus but I like it
with this pre-chorus from this song.
And I'm like,
never done that once.
I kind of have to capitalize on the excitement
of me getting that idea and see it all the way through
or else I'll leave it behind
and I'll just assume it wasn't good enough.
♪ Baby that's what I mean ♪
♪ Hoo, hoo, hoo ♪ - Damn.
- Holy shit.
Oh my God, did we just do like this whole verse and chorus?
The ideas are my favorite part
of everything that I do.
That moment where you're like,
oh I know what it's called.
Or you're like,
I know what the hook is now.
- And there's one point in the movie
where you actually see on your face,
you go like. (Taylor laughing)
'Cause you have an idea.
You get to see it.
- [Taylor] Took the money in the bag
and I stole the...
- Took the money, took the money.
- Put the money in the bag and I stole the keys.
That was the last time you ever saw me.
I remember when I used to get an idea
when I was 12 years old in my room.
I'd first get an idea and I'd be like, yes idea.
And then I'd get this like fear and almost sorrow
that no one was ever gonna hear it.
I'm never gonna get to make this into something.
It's just mine.
And like there's something cute about that but like,
I want to make something.
Getting to capture on films, you know,
getting an idea,
that's one thing that I'm glad I'll have forever.
I'll always have kind of a memory of when
that idea happened,
that idea happened.
I'd never had that before.
Anyway, it's good that we both get to make things now.
- We're so lucky.
(both laughing)
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