>>> MORNING, EVERYBODY.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
IM MEGYN KELLY.
THIS MORNING, THE ME TOO
MOVEMENT IS HEATING UP.
AS ACTOR JAMES FRANCO NOW STANDS
ACCUSED BY AT LEAST FIVE WOMEN OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.IVE WOMEN
OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT. THE "L.A. TIMES" PRINTING A
LENGTHY REPORT ON HIM TODAY, ALLEGING SEXUAL MISCONDUCT BY
FRANCO AT HIS ACTING SCHOOL AND
WITH SEVERAL ASPIRING, YOUNG
ACTORS, CHARGES FRANCO DENIES.
HE WAS AT THE GOLDEN GLOBES
PREVIOUSLY WITH A PIN OF TIMES
UP.
WERE SEEING FALLOUT.
AGAIN, HE IS DENYING MISCONDUCT.
BUT THESE ACCUSERS, SO YOU KNOW,
DO NOT INCLUDE ACTRESS ALI
SHEEDY, WHO IMPLIED THAT SHE HAS A ME TOO STORY ABOUT JAMESHE HAS
A ME TOO STORY ABOUT JAMES FRANCO.
FRANCO.
HE DENIED KNOWING WHAT THE HECK SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT. THE HECK
SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT. LAST NIGHT, HE WAS ON NBC WITH
SETH MEYERS.
SETH MEYERS.
SETH PRESSED HIM ABOUT WHY HE
WASNT CURIOUS ENOUGH ABOUT ALI
SHEEDY TO REACH OUT TO HER, TO
WHICH IN RESPONSE, FRANCO SAID THIS. IN RESPONSE, FRANCO SAID
THIS.
>> NOT CURIOUS TO REACH OUT WITH
HER.
YOU HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP
BEFORE, AND TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND
WHY SHE WOULD HAVE DONE THAT? >> I DONT KNOW.AVE DONE THAT?
>> I DONT KNOW. IT WAS SO SHOCKING.
I DONT KNOW.
I JUST -- I GUESS IM JUST
LETTING IT BE. >> TO DISCUSS THESE AND THE
OTHER SEXUAL HARASSMENT
ALLEGATIONS THAT HAVE BROKEN
OVERNIGHT, IM JOINED BY NBCS CYNTHIA McFADDEN AND STEPHANIE
GOSK.
GOSK.
HI.
>> MORNING. >> LETS START WITH FRONANCO.
FIRST, ALI CAMEAND THEN MORE WOM
TODAY, WE HAVE FIVE IN THE "L.A.
TIMES."
TIMES."
IS THAT IT?
>> ALI TOOK DOWN THE TWEET SHE
TWEETED THE FIRST NIGHT.
WE DONT KNOW WHY.
>> WHEN HE WAS RUNNING THE
ACTING SCHOOL, THE ALLEGATIONS
WERE HE WAS INAPPROPRIATE WITH
THE YOUNG STUDENTS?
>> FORCED THESE WOMEN INTO
SITUATIONS WHERE HE ASKED THEM
TO DISROBE, ASKED THEM TO GO TOPLESS AND FILM SCENES THAT
THEY LATER SAID THEY FELT
PRESSURED TO DO.
SOME OF THE SCENES ACTUALLY
SHOWING UP ONLINE AND BEING OUT
ON THE INTERNET.
>> WHICH IS NOT WHAT THEY
EXPECTED.
EXPECTED.
>> RIGHT.
ONE OF THEM AN ORGY, THEY SAY.
>> THEY WERE SHOOTING AN ORRGY
SCENE, THAT HE TOOK IT TO
INAPPROPRIATE PLACES.
THE WOMEN THOUGHT IT WOULD BE
ACTING AND THEY WOULD BE
PROTECTED IN CERTAIN WAYS, BUT
HE REMOVE TD PROTECTIONS.
THERE IS A WOMAN SUGGESTING SHE
HAD A CONSENSUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM BUT HE FORCED HER INTO
ORAL SEX.
ORAL SEX.
>> IN THE FRONT SEAT OF HER CAR,
YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THESE ARE SO HARD TO LITIGATE BECAUSE, I MEAN, TALK
ABOUT EVEN.
ABOUT EVEN.
BY DEFINITION, YOU DONT HAVE WITNESSES.ION, YOU DONT HAVE
WITNESSES.
THIS HAPPENS IN PRIVATE. I THINK THAT FRANCO HAS SAID ON
THIS THAT HE REGRETS PUTTING
ANYONE IN A DIFFICULT POSITION
AND HE IS GOING TO OWN, AS HE
HAS THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE, THE
THINGS HE DOES WRONG.
THAT HE HAD SAID PREVIOUSLY IN
THE WEEK.
THE WEEK.
WELL SEE. >> RUSSELL SIMMONS ALSO SAYS
THAT.
THAT.
HE SAYS HE IS A CHANGED MAN AND
WILL OWN HIS BAD BEHAVIOR. THINGS HAVE GONE FROM BAD TO
WORSE FOR HIM.
>> RUSSELL SIMMONS IS NOW UNDER
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. NYPD HERE IN NEW YORK FOR RAPE.
TWO WOMEN HAVE LAUNCHED A
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. >> CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION NOW
AGAINST SIMMONS.
AGAINST SIMMONS.
>> RIGHT.
AGAIN, HE DENIES IT.
HE SAYS THIS IS THE MOST PAINFUL THING THATS HAPPENED TO HIM.NFUL
THING THATS HAPPENED TO HIM. HE DOESNT UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS
HAPPENED.
HAPPENED.
IT RAISES THIS INTERESTING
QUESTION.
ITS THE QUESTION OF, THESE ACCUSATIONS ARE SHOWING UP AND
HOW WE VALIDATE THEM OR DONT
VALIDATE THEM, WE HAVE A
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, A
PROCESS THAT HE WILL GO THROUGH
WHERE HE WILL HAVE RECOURSE.
IF THESE ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT
TRUE, IF THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO
PROVE THAT THEY ARE TRUE, THEN
THE SYSTEM WONT CONVICT HIM.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ACCUSATIONS
THAT POP UP ON TWITTER, AND
THESE ARE NOW CONSUMED VORACIOUS
VORACIOUSLY IN THIS CLIMATE, THE
PEOPLE BEING ACCUSED DONT HAVE
A LOT OF RECOURSE.
I THINK WE HAVE TO START
ASKING --
ASKING --
>> THEY DONT HAVE DUE PROCESS. >> IN THIS SCORCHED EARTHCESS.
>> IN THIS SCORCHED EARTH CLIMATE THAT WE LIVE IN, THERES
GOING TO BE COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU ARE AN
INNOCENT PERSON FALSELY ACCUSED?
I DONT HAVE A GOOD ANSWER.
>> WELL, THERES ONE APPROACH
BEING TAKEN BY ACTOR MICHAEL
DOUGLAS, WHO HAS PREEMPTIVELY
COME OUT TO DENY A STORY HE IS
EXPECTING ABOUT HIM?
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS, HE WAS
CALLED BY HIS LAWYER, WHO HAD
BEEN CONTACTED BY A PUBLICATION
SAYING THAT A WOMAN WHO HAD
WORKED FOR HIM 32 YEARS AGO SAID
HE HAD BEHAVED INAPPROPRIATELY
IN THE OFFICE.
SHE SAYS, THE ACCUSER, WHO WE
DONT KNOW WHO IT IS, THE
ACCUSER SAYS IT WASNT PHYSICAL
BUT HE SAID THINGS HE SHOULDNT
HAVE BEEN SAYING TO COLLEAGUES
AND OTHERS ON THE PHONE AND IN
OTHER WAYS AND MADE THE OFFICE
AN UNCOMFORTABLE ENVIRONMENT.
AT THE END, SHE SAYS HE ALSO
MASTURBATED IN FRONT OF HER.
>> YOU BURIED THE LEAD.
>> WELL, THERE YOU GO.
HE DENIES THAT VIGOROUSLY.
HE SAID, LISTEN, MAYBE I SAID
THINGS, MAYBE I DID THINGS.
SHE COULD HAVE ON
NONE OF THIS WAS DIRECTED TO
YOU, WHICH SHE ACKNOWLEDGED
ACCORDING TO THE REPORTS WE HAD.
HE VIGOROUSLY DENIES HAVING
MASTURBATED IN FRONT OF HER.
WHY COME OUT AHEAD OF THE
ACCUSER?
ACCUSER?
INTERESTING QUESTION. YOUD AGREE WITH ME, LEGALLY,
IM NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, ITS
ALWAYS NICE TO CONTROL TO
NARRATIVE.
NARRATIVE.
IF YOU SET IT OUT THERE FIRST,
MAYBE YOU CAN HELP DO THAT.
AS A PUBLIC RELATIONS MATTER -- >> YOU WAIT FOR THE ARTICLE TO-
>> YOU WAIT FOR THE ARTICLE TO COME OUT.
COME OUT.
ISNT THAT THE NORMAL THING?
>> HE HAS LITTLE KIDS.
HE HAS A WIFE.
THE DRIP, DRIP, DRIP OF THIS, I
THINK, GOT TO HIM.
HE ALLUDED TO IT.
YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT IT MUST FEEL LIKE.AGINE WHAT IT MUST
FEEL LIKE.
>> TERRIBLE.
YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS, AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED IN I
HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED IN THE MICHAEL DOUGLAS SITUATION,
BUT I THINK IN A LOT OF THESE
SITUATIONS, YOU KNOW, THESE MEN
ARE SAYING, I HAD NO IDEA.
CHARLIE ROSE CAME OUT AND SAID,
I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL SHARED
FEELINGS.
FEELINGS.
>> RIGHT.
>> ITS LIKE, IF A YOUNG WOMAN
COMES TO YOUR HOUSE, AS ALLEGED IN THE CHARLIE ROSE CASE, ANDED
IN THE CHARLIE ROSE CASE, AND YOU WHIP OPEN YOUR BATHROBE, WHY
WOULD YOU THINK IT IS SHARED
FEELINGS?
FEELINGS?
IM SORRY HES HAVING PAIN, CHARLIE AND THE OTHERS, BUT
THINK ABOUT THE PAIN THE YOUNG
WOMEN WENT THROUGH.
THINKING THEY WERE, YOU KNOW,
ASCENDING THE CORPORATE LADDER,
ONLY TO HAVE THE OPEN BATHROBE
AND THE CRUSTY PAW.
THATS WHAT WAS ALLEGED IN THE
CHARLIE ROSE CASE.
>> YEAH.
>> WHOEVER COINED THAT PHRASE WAS A GENIUS.INED THAT PHRASE
WAS A GENIUS. IT BRINGS IT HOME.
>> BOOK TITLE THERE, YES.
>> THE POINT ABOUT DUE PROCESS
IS A REAL ONE.
A LOT OF THE MEN YOU TALK TO --
BECAUSE I TALK TO SOME OF THE
MEN -- ARE OBJECTING ABOUT THE
LACK OF PROPORTIONALITY IN THIS.
THEYRE ALL GETTING LUMPED INTO
THE SAME GROUP.
I THINK ITS FAIR.
ITS NOT TO SAY THAT ANY OF IT IS RIGHT.O SAY THAT ANY OF IT
IS RIGHT.
ALL OF THESE MEN HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF DISRESPECTING WOMEN.
BUT IT IS NOT THE SAME.
OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, TO
YOUR POINT, RECOGNIZES THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RAPE AND
ATTEMPTED COME ON.
>> ALSO, YOU HAVE THE LEVEL OF FILTER THAT HAPPENS IN THEL OF
FILTER THAT HAPPENS IN THE PRESS, TOO.
PRESS, TOO.
YOU HAVE THE ARTICLES THAT COME OUT.HAVE THE ARTICLES THAT COME
OUT.
WITH HARVEY WEINSTEIN, WE SAW THIS, AS WELL.INSTEIN, WE SAW
THIS, AS WELL. ARTICLE CAME OUT WHEN YOU HAVE
MULTIPLE WOMEN WILLING TO GO ON
THE RECORD AND NAME THEMSELVES
WITH THEIR STORIES.
THOSE REPORTS WERE REPORTED OUT
FOR MONTHS AND YEARS IN SOME
CASES.
CASES.
INSTEAD, NOW, WEVE GOT THIS
TWEETED OUT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN,
ON LATE NIGHT, YOU HAVE AN ACTOR
THAT HAS TO RESPOND TO IT.
THATS A DIFFERENT CLIMATE.
WE HAVE TO RE-EVALUATE IF THATS THE WORLD WE WANT TO LIVE?THATS
THE WORLD WE WANT TO LIVE? >> ITS LIKE THE "NEW YORK
TIMES" ARTICLE, IT IS HE
SAID/SHE SAID, SHE SAID, SHE
SAID, AND IT GETS MORE
COMPELLING.
COMPELLING.
MICHELLE WILLIAMS GOT $1,000 TO RESHOOT SOME OF THE SCENES INTO
RESHOOT SOME OF THE SCENES IN "ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD,"
THE MOVIE THEY REDID BECAUSE OF
KEVIN SPACEY.
KEVIN SPACEY. ACTOR MARK WAHLBERG GOT $1.5
MILLION TO RESHOOT.
WAS IT A SITUATION OF INEQUITY
IN GENDER PAY.
WE KNOW A LITTLE MORE.
>> IT IS TRICKY.
MICHELLE WILLIAMS SAID SHE
WANTED THIS MOVIE OUT AND SHE
WAS WILLING TO DONATE, IN HER
WORDS, DONATE HER VACATION AND
HER SALARY IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE
IT GOT DONE AND OUT IN TIME FOR
AWARD SEASONS AT THE END OF
DECEMBER.
DECEMBER.
>> MARK WAHLBERG, NOT SO MUCH. >> MARK WAHLBERG, NOT SO MUCH.
>> HE WANTS TO GET PAID.
>> HE NEGOTIATED.
I THINK THERE IS A QUESTION OF
WHETHER SHE KNEW HE WAS GETTING
PAID.
PAID.
BUT IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT A LOT OF MEN ALSO DONATED THEIR
SALARIES, INCLUDING THE
DIRECTOR, RIDLEY SCOTT.
HE WASNT PAID FOR THIS EITHER.
AND SOME OF THE OTHER MALE
ACTORS.
ACTORS.
IM NOT SURE IT IS A GREAT
EXAMPLE OF GENDER INEQUALITY,
THOUGH I WANT TO SAY LOUDLY AND CLEARLY, WE GOT TO DO BETTER.ND
CLEARLY, WE GOT TO DO BETTER. YOU KNOW, I WAS LOOKING SOME
STUFF UP.
STUFF UP.
I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS, AND I LOVE THIS.W YOU KNOW THIS, AND I LOVE
THIS.
1963 IS WHEN THE EQUAL PAY ACT WAS PASSED.N THE EQUAL PAY ACT
WAS PASSED.
THAT YEAR, WOMEN MADE 59 CENTS
FOR EVERY DOLLAR A MAN MADE.
53 YEARS LATER, WOMEN NOW MAKE 80 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR FOR EVERY
MAN.
MAN.
THATS LESS THAN HALF A CENT A YEAR WEVE IMPROVED.F A CENT A
YEAR WEVE IMPROVED. WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT.
>> EVEN WHEN YOU REMOVE SOME OF
THE THINGS LIKE, OKAY, SHE TOOK
THREE YEARS OFF TO RAISE HER
CHILD OR WHATEVER.
EVEN WHEN YOU REMOVE THOSE FROM
THE EQUAL PAY CALCULATION, THE
NUMBERS DONT ADD UP FOR WOMEN.
THEY DONT.
THEY DONT.
SO THIS IS A SUBJECT WERE GOING TO BE COVERING FAIRLY AND GOING
TO BE COVERING FAIRLY AND HONESTLY FROM THIS POINT
FORWARD.
FORWARD.
I DONT KNOW WHAT THE LESSON IS.
SHOULD MARK WAHLBERG HAVE BEEN
MORE GIVING TOWARD THE PROJECT,
OR SHOULD MICHELLE WILLIAMS HAVE BEEN MORE OF A PIG?WILLIAMS HAVE
BEEN MORE OF A PIG? IN A NEGOTIATION, BE A PIG.
>> SHOULD THE PRODUCERS OF THE
SHOW HAVE SAID, IS THIS GOING
TO, IF IT GETS OUT PUBLICLY,
SEND A MESSAGE WE DONT WANT TO
SEND?
SEND?
IN THIS CLIMATE, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER IT.ATE, YOU HAVE TO
CONSIDER IT.
IT IS A SENSITIVE TIME.
>> THE DIRECTOR OF THE FILM,
RIDLEY SCOTT, WAS LAST WEEKEND
ASKING WHEN WE ARE GOING TO FORGIVE HARVEY WEINSTEIN, AND
WHETHER THERE WILL BE
FORGIVENESS.