>>> AND WELCOME BACK THIS
MORNING.
WE'RE TALKING WITH ASHLEY JUDD
AND TWO "NEW YORK TIMES"
REPORTERS, JODI KANTOR, AND
MEGAN TWOHEY, ABOUT THEIR NEW
BOOK.
IT'S CALLED "SHE SAID."
>> IT REVEALS HOW THEY EXPOSED
THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HARVEY
WEINSTEIN, AND IT INCLUDES MANY
STORIES WE HAVEN'T HEARD
INCLUDING THAT OF ROWENA CHIU
WHO WORKED FOR WEINSTEIN.
>> WHILE OVERSEAS HIM IN ITALY,
SHE SAYS HE ATTEMPTED TO SEXUAL
ASSAULT HER.
SHE JOINS US NOW ALONG WITH
JODIJODI
MEGAN AND ASHLEY JUDD.
YOU SIGNED A FAIRLY IRONCLAD
NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT AND YOU
DECIDED TO BREAK THAT NDA THIS
MORNING.
WHY?
>> IT'S BEEN A LONG JOURNEY.
THE NDA OFFERS TO A KEEP A
SECRET ABOUT SOMETHING THAT
HAPPENED TO ME WHILE I WAS
WORKING FOR 20 YEARS, AND THAT
IN ITSELF WAS A VERY DIFFICULT
THING TO DO OVER 20 YEARS.
SO WHEN I WAS APPROACHED IN
OCTOBER 2017 TO BREAK THE NDA,
FOR ME IT WAS A REALLY
TERRIFYING MOMENT.
WE HAD FOR A LONG TIME, I HAD
FOR A LONG TIME NOT SPOKEN TO
EVEN MY OTHER COLLEAGUE, NOT TO
MY HUSBAND, NOT TO MY PARENTS,
AND NOT TO MY SISTER.
SO WHEN THIS STORY BROKE IN THE
PRESS ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, I
WASN'T READY.
MY CHILDREN WERE STILL VERY
YOUNG.
MY YOUNGEST CHILD WAS SIX
MONTHS.
I FELT THAT, I FELT INTIMIDATED.
I FELT TERRIFIED.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE LEGAL
REPERCUSSIONS WOULD BE LEGALLY,
AND BOTH IN TERMS OF MY OWN
PERSONAL LIFE, IN TERMS OF
COMING FORWARD AND SPEAKING TO
MY PARENTS, SPEAKING TO MY
HUSBAND, SPEAKING TO MY CLOSEST
FRIENDS.
>> JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE AT HOME
YOUR JOB WAS TO STAY AT THE
HOTEL, READ SCRIPTS AND DISCUSS
THEM WITH WEINSTEIN, AND THE
NIGHT IN QUESTION, YOU SAY HE
STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT
YOUR PERSONAL LIFE, AND YOUR
PROFESSIONAL LIFE AND IT BUILT
UP OVER A NUMBER OF HOURS, AND
THEN ULTIMATELY EVENTUALLY HE
ASKED YOU TO SIT ON THE BED AND
GIVE HIM A MASSAGE.
THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
>> AND IT'S VERY TYPICAL OF
WORKING WITH HARVEY THAT
GENERALLY PERSONAL QUESTIONS AND
REQUESTS AND SO ON ARE BLENDED
IN WITH CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
SCRIPTS AND, YOU KNOW,
APPROPRIATE WORKPLACE QUESTIONS.
SO THIS WASN'T SOMETHING THAT
HAPPENED THAT TOOK PLACE OVER
THIS ONE NIGHT, BUT IT TOOK
PLACE OVER A NUMBER OF
EVACUATEVENINGS
WHILE I WAS IN THE HOTEL WORKING
WITH HIM.
AND THESE KIND OF REQUESTS
ESCALATE.
HARVEY IS VERY PERSISTENT.
HE HAS A TENDENCY TO CAJOLE, AND
FRANKLY, ON THIS PARTICULAR
EVENING, HE'S A VERY BIG GUY, HE
PUSHED ME BACK AGAINST THE BED.
AND I WAS PETRIFIED AND
TERRIFIED AS HE TRIED TO RAPE
ME.
>> WE LET HARVEY WEINSTEIN KNOW
THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE ON THE
SHOW THIS MORNING, AND HIS
ATTORNEY POINTED OUT THAT YOU
WORKED FOR HARVEY WEINSTEIN TWO
YEARS AFTER THAT ENCOUNTER.
WHY?
>> SO AFTER THE SIGNING OF THE
NDA ONE OF THE CLAUSES IN THE
NDA WAS THAT OUR WORK WOULD BE
PROTECTED.
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER AT THE TIME
WE WERE PRETTY YOUNG.
IT WAS MY FIRST JOB OR SO OUT OF
COLLEGE.
I WAS 24 YEARS OLD, AND MY
PASSION ALL MY LIFE WAS TO WORK
IN THE FILM INDUSTRY.
I DIDN'T WANT TO SEE THAT COME
TO AN END.
I FIND THE NDA AND I HOPE MOVE
ON AND I INTERVIEWED WITH MANY
FILM AND TELEVISION INTERVIEWS
ACROSS LONDON WHICH IS WHERE I
WAS BASED AT THE TIME, AND
EVERYBODY WANTED TO PULL IN A
FORMER ASSISTANT OF HARVEY
WEINSTEIN FOR INTERVIEW.
NOBODY WANTED TO GIVE THAT
PERSON A JOB.
SO THEY ALL WANT TO MEET YOU,
THEY WANT TO HEAR YOUR STORY.
MAYBE THEY'LL FIND SOME
SALACIOUS DETAILS, BUT NOBODY IS
GOING TO GIVE YOU A JOB WHEN YOU
START WORKING FOR HARVEY
WEINSTEIN UNDER UNEXPLAINED
CIRCUMSTANCES.
>> ASHLEY, I WANT TO LET YOU IN
HERE.
I SEE YOU GRABBING EACH OTHER'S
HAND.
IT'S SO SPECIAL.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE HAS BEEN
THROUGH.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT
TO LET HER KNOW, ESPECIALLY
BECAUSE THIS IS NEW FOR HER.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SHE'S
TALKING ABOUT IT PUBLICLY LIKE
THIS.
>> THE PATTERN, I UNDERSTAND THE
PERSISTENCE, THE CAJOLING THE
WEAVING IN, THE INCREDIBLY
CONFUSING MIXTURE OF WORK AND
SEXUAL GROOMING AND IT'S EXACTLY
WHAT THESE TWO CRACKED, YOU
KNOW, YOU ABSOLUTELY CRACKED THE
NUT ON THIS VERY SKILLFUL
PATHOLOGICAL SEXUAL CRIMINAL
PREDATION, AND WE EXPERIENCED
THIS EARLY, IN THE CELLAR LEVELS
OF OUR BODIES AND IT'S
INCREDIBLY CONFUSING AND SETS US
INTO FLIGHT, AND FREEZE, AND YOU
HANDLED IT WITH THE JOURNALISM
AND WON THE PULITZER PRIZE, AND
A BOOK CALLED AN INSTANT CLASSIC
AND TOGETHER WE'RE GOING TO SEND
THIS GUY TO JAIL.
>> PRISON.
>> HOW ARE YOU TODAY?
>> PRETTY NERVOUS.
PRETTY NERVOUS.
YEAH.
>> YOU DID GREAT, AND YOU HAVE
DONE A LOT OF GOOD.
>> THANK YOU.
>> AS WITHHAVE THE TWO OF YOU.
>> ALL OF YOU, THANK YOU.
>> ASHLEY, THANK YOU.
>> OPEN INVITATION TO COME BACK
ANY TIME.
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