The first spirit that I recall really having
any significance was Shelly
and she opened the door
for all these other spirits to come in.
(hyperventilating)
I thought that everyone could see these people
so I just assumed that we just ignored them.
And so, that's what I did.
Up until about 13 or 14 I started to realize
that it was not normal,
that other people didn't see these things.
I would see dead boys, girls, men, women.
When I had my first Emily episode,
Emily was really scraggly, skinny, dark hair,
really dark eyes,
in a way she kind of looked like me.
Emily stayed with me for six months
and after she was gone I still saw the people.
Emily left and then Charlie appeared.
Charlie was disgusting looking,
he would attack me every day.
My mom contacted a spiritual warrior
who helped people with demons.
Spirit of our God,
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
We had prayed,
which caused me to go into episodes,
the prayers had worked to get rid of all of it
and so I was free for the first time in my whole life.
After the prayers and Charlie and Emily were gone,
and all the voices were gone,
I was good for a couple of months
and then my episodes were of a dark place.
Okay.
It matters
whether you're using the right symbol system or not.
It matters a lot as to where we go from here.
And I've
written some things down.
Will you sit in my chair for a minute
'cause I want you to be able to see over here.
The problem
with calling it what it isn't
is you then
do not treat what it is.
So,
if
you call something
a demon,
when in fact
it is a hallucination,
then
you would deal with the possession
rather than the hallucination.
If you call something possession instead of
paralysis
from anxiety,
then
you're going to treat this
and not give the tools
to deal with this.
If you label something that a demon is saying
instead of
a toxic
internal dialogue,
then you're going to focus on making a deal
with the demon
instead of changing the toxic internal dialogue.
If you focus on this,
this,
and this,
and not
this, this, or this,
then you're never
going to resolve this
because it is never gonna get any better.
If the demons have left you,
then you don't need that symbol system anyway.
I mean, it's gone and now it's something else.
And so what you're left with is anxiety paralysis,
hyperventilation,
all of the things that go along with that,
so
even if you believe this side,
you're saying that's gone
and this
is still here.
So, this has to be treated even if you believe
this is where it came from.
Yes.
Do we agree on that?
Yes.