HEY, EVERYBODY!
WELCOME BACK.
MY GUEST TONIGHT HAS REPORTED ON POLITICS FOR TWO DECADES,
AND IS THE HOST OF "ALL IN WITH CHRIS HAYES."
PLEASE WELCOME CHRIS HAYES!
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I THOUGHT IT WAS REMARKABLE COMPELLING
>> Stephen: WHAT IS IT ABOUT THAT?
>> Stephen: WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE REALITY THAT WE DON'T
KNOW YET.
>> JUST HOW CLOSE IT CAME.
HOW CLOSE WE CAME TO IS A COUP BEING PULLED OFF, THE PRAITH
LEADING A MOB AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT AT THE CAPITOL.
IT WAS A MATTER OF SECONDS AND FEET BETWEEN THE VICE PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES WHO HAD A TARGET PAINTED ON HIS BACK BY
THE PRESIDENT AND A CROWD WHO WAS OUT FOR THE BLOOD ABOUT HIM.
YOU CAN HEAR ON THE VOCAL TAMBOR ON THE COMES OF THE SECRET
SERVICE, THEY ARE IN FIGHT OR FLIGHT MODE.
THESE ARE USUALLY, AS YOU SAY, VERY COOL CUSTOMERS.
THEY ARE TRAINED TO DEAL WITH EVENTUALITIES.
THEY ARE TRAINED TO DEAL WITH THAT EXIT IS CLOSED, WE'LL GO TO
THAT EXIT.
YOU CAN HEAR PANIC IN THE VOICES.
>> Stephen: THEY DON'T HAVE TOTAL OPERATIONAL AND
SITUATIONAL AWARENESS.
THEY WOULDN'T REACT IF A FRIED EGG WINKED AT THEM.
( LAUGHTER ) OKAY?
>> HAS THAT HAPPENED TO YOU?
>> Stephen: NO, IT NEVER HAS, THANK GOD.
THANK GOD.
ANY OTHER REVELATIONS FROM TONIGHT THAT LEAP OUT TO YOU?
FOR INSTANCE, WHAT ABOUT WE SAW OUTTAKES, ESPECIALLY OF THE
JANUARY 7th SPEECH, WHERE HE SEEMED VERY OUT OF SORTS, THE
FORMER PRESIDENT, SLAMMING THE PODIUM, AND -- AND SAID HE
DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT THE ELECTION WAS OVER.
HE WANTED TO TAKE THAT OUT OF THE SCRIPT.
WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THAT?
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY REVEALING, THAT SENTENCE.
THAT SUBSTANCE WHERE HE SAID I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S OVER,
WHICH SAYS EVERYTHING.
>> Stephen: RIGHT.
HE'LL EVEN SAY THE BALLOTS HAD BEEN CERTIFIED.
>> EXACTLY.
HE WILL SAY CONGRESS HAS CERTIFIED BUT DOESN'T WANT TO
SAY IT'S OVER.
WHEN YOU JUXTAPOSE THAT WITH JUST THIS LAST WEEK A LOCAL NEWS
OUTLET IN WISCONSIN REPORTS ON THE ASSEMBLY GETTING A CALL FROM
DONALD TRUMP SAYING HE WANTS TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION.
>> Stephen: DECERTIFY IT.
WHEN YOU COMBINE I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S OVER WITH THE FACT
THIS IS ONGOING, THERE'S SOMETHING INCREDIBLY DARKLY
PROPHETIC ABOUT HIM SAYING I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S OVER.
>> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU FEEL MATTHEW POTTINGER AND SARAH
MATTHEWS CONTRIBUTED WITH THEIR TESTIMONY TONIGHT?
>> IT'S A VERY INTERESTING RHETORICAL APPROACH THE
COMMITTEE HAS TAKEN.
THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO PERSUADE, AND THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE
PERSUADED WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE BY AND LARGE REPUBLICANS.
IN ORDER TO DO THAT, AS LIZ CHENEY SAID AT THE END OF THAT
HEARING, WE HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU VOICES OF LOYAL REPUBLICANS,
NOT AS POLITICAL ENEMIES BUT POLITICAL SUPPORTERS, THE PEOPLE
THAT WORKED FOR HIM, THE PEOPLE THAT BELIEVED IN HIM, AND THEY
ARE CONFESSING THAT THEY FOUND THIS BEHAVIOR INTOLERABLE.
SO MATTHEWS AND POTTINGER WERE THERE TO DO THAT.
THEY WERE THERE UNTIL THAT DAY AND THE ATTEMPTED COUP HOOPS AND
THAT'S TOO MUCH FOR THEM.
AND SO, IN THAT WAY, I THINK THEY LEND CREDIBILITY TO THE
IDEA THAT, OUTSIDE OF DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF, THERE WAS
ESSENTIALLY UNANIMITY AMONG THE PEOPLE THAT WERE LOYAL TO HIM
THAT WHAT HAD HAPPENED WAS INDEFENSIBLE AND THAT HIS
CONDUCT ON THAT DAY WAS INDEFENSIBLE.
>> Stephen: WHO DO YOU THINK COMES OFF WORSE?
WHO DO YOU THINK AROUND HIM LOOKS THE WORST.
>> MEADOWS.
>> Stephen: HE LOOKS COMPLETELY INEFFECTUAL AND
SPINELESS.
( LAUGHTER ) >> YES, AND THIS BY CZAR
CIPHER -- PARTLY BECAUSE MEADOWS HASN'T GIVEN HIS TESTIMONY.
A LOT OF IT IS PEOPLE TRYING TO WASH A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT'S LEFT
OF REPUTATION, THEY SAY, I SAID WE CAN'T DO THIS.
MEADOWS HASN'T BE THERE.
ALL WE KNOW IS HE'S SCROLLING HIS PHONE AS THE COUNTRY IS
BURNING.
>> Stephen: A LITTLE CANDY CRUSH.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: WE'LL TAKE A QUICK BREAK, BUT STICK AROUND FOR MORE
WITH CHRIS HAYES, EVERYBODY.
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