>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY.
MY FIRST GUEST IS AN EMMY AND TONY AWARD WINNER WHO YOU KNOW
AS INIGO MONTOYA IN "THE PRINCESS BRIDE" AND SAUL
BERENSON ON "HOMELAND."
PLEASE WELCOME MANDY PATINKIN!
>> Stephen: I LOVE THAT ENTRANCE, WITH SUCH PURPOSE.
I LOVE-- I LOVE WATCHING SAUL WALK ON "HOMELAND."
SUCH PURPOSE.
>> MY KIDS MAKE FUN OF THE WAY I WALK, SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW,
I'M-- I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT THAT'S HOW I WALK.
THAT'S HOW SAUL WALKS.
SO...
( LAUGHTER ).
>> Stephen: SO YOU AND SAUL HAVE THE SAME WALK?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> Stephen: YOU HAVE THE SAME BEARD, WHICH IS NICE.
>> WE ALSO SOUND A LITTLE ALIKE AS WELL.
>> Stephen: A LITTLE ALIKE.
YOU SEEM FRIENDLIER THAN SAUL.
>> OH, I LIKE HIM MUCH BETTER THAN ME.
( LAUGHTER ) YOU.
>> Stephen: LIKE SAUL MORE THAN YOU?
>> OH, I DO.
HE'S MUCH CALMER THAN ME.
HAVE YOU NOT NOTICED IN THE PAST THAT I AM NOT SAUL.
>> Stephen: YES.
>> I NEED TO BE MORE LIKE SAUL.
>> Stephen: HE'S ORDERED PEOPLE KILLED.
HAVE YOU DONE THAT.
>> OKAY, SO PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES, YOU KNOW.
DONT BE SO PICKY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST THE BASICS.
>> Stephen: OKAY, WE'VE GOT ONE MORE WEEK.
THIS IS THE FINALE OF SEASON SIX COMING UP THIS SUNDAY.
>> THIS SUNDAY NIGHT THE END OF THE BALLGAME.
>> Stephen: AND I'M JUST-- NOT THE WHOLE SERIES.
>> NO, NO, NO JUST SEASON SIX -- >> Stephen: DON'T SCARE ME
LIKE THAT, MR. >> THEY ALREADY BLOCKED SEASONS
SEVEN AND EIGHT ALREADY.
>> Stephen: OH, THANK GOD!
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE
LOOKING FOR.
>> Stephen: I WAS LOOKING FOR HOLY WATER.
>> OKAY.
>> UNDERSTAND.
>> Stephen: WHY DO PEOPLE-- THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WILL PUT MY FINGERS IN YOUR WATER.
WHY DO THIS SHOW-- MY ONE COMPLAINT OF THE SHOW IS WHY DO
YOU HAVE TO BE SO PRECENT ON THE SHOW?
IN YEARS PAST, EVERY SEASON IS ABOUT TWO AMONGST AHEAD OF
THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN THE WORLD, AND THESE ARE WRITTEN
A LONG TIME AGO, SHOT A LONG TIME AGO.
THIS SEASON WE HAVE THE INTELE COMMUNITY FIGHTING EACH OTHER,
FIGHTING THE PRESIDENT, FAKE NEWS, SOCIAL MEDIA, SOCK PUPPETS
GENERATING PUBLIC OPINION AGAINST POLITICAL FIGURES.
>> YEAH HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THAT BEFORE.
>> Stephen: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
WHAT IS IT?
WHAT DEMON GOD TO YOU SACRIFICE A GOAT TO, TO LEARN THESE THINGS
AHEAD OF TIME?
>> WELL, ACTUALLY, ALL OUR WRITERS DO, AS YOU PROBABLY HAVE
THE SAME EXPERIENCE, YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING, YOU OPEN UP YOUR
EYES, AND YOU LOOK OUT THE WINDOW.
AND THERE YOU HAVE WANT STORY OF THE DAY.
IT IS ALL AROUND US IN A FRIGHTENING WAY.
WE REWRITING AS WE GO, BY THE MINUTE --
>> Stephen: DO YOU REALLY?
YOU SAY, "IT WAS GOING TO BE THIS BUT WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT
BASED ON THE REALITY OF THE WORLD?"
>> ABSOLUTELY.
AS A MATTER OF FACT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A FEMALE PRESIDENT
AS WE ALL EXPECTED TO HAVE AND THEN THAT CHANGED -- I'M SURE
YOU'RE WAVER OF THAT CHANGE.
>> Stephen: YES, UH-HUH.
>> SO OUR WRITERS WENT BACK AND HAVE TO READJUST THE NARRATIVE
AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS HAPPENED, WHICH, YOU KNOW,
CLEARLY THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT INTERFERED WITH OUR SACRED
PROCESS OF OUR ELECTION.
THAT IS RIGHT IN THE "HOMELAND" WHEELHOUSE, SO I THINK WE'LL
PROBABLY BE DEALING WITH THAT.
BUT THEN, ALSO, FOR ME, WHAT BECAME THE TWO NEWEST, MOST
PROFOUND CHARACTERS OF THE SEASON-- NOT TO DISPARAGE ANY OF
THE OTHER CHARACTERS, AND WE HAVE AN EXTRAORDINARY CAST-- BUT
THE TWO CHARACTERS OF FAKE NEWS AND THE TRUTH ROSE TO THE TOP OF
THE SYSTEM AND BECAME TERRIFYINGLY ENGAGING.
SO IN THE PAST, I WOULD OFTEN SAY, "OUR SHOW, AT BEST, IS-- WE
TRY TO BE A POTETTIC VERSION OF THE REAL WORLD, SOMETHING THAT
ONE MIGHT WISH FOR IN TERMS OF HOW THE OUTCOME MIGHT BE OR, YOU
KNOW, SOME MET FOFORT REAL WORLD THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
AND THIS SEASON, IT BECAME A POLAROID.
IT WAS AN INSTANT PHOTO.
IT WAS HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK.
AND CONTINUES TO DO SO.
>> Stephen: I THINK IT'S NOT AS CRAZY AS THE REAL WORLD.
BECAUSE-- >> WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.
>> Stephen: I FIND THE REAL WORLD A LITTLE SCARER THAN
"HOMELAND."
>> I OFTEN SAY "HOMELAND" LIVES IN A FICTIONAL HELL.
WE ALL IN IN A FICTIONAL HELL, BUT THE REAL WORLD IS FAR MORE
HELLISH THAN THE FICTIONAL WORLD OF "HOMELAND" AND THAT'S ME
BEING OPTIMISTIC.
( LAUGHTER ).
>> Stephen: AND THIS IS WHY YOU LIKE SAUL MORE.
( LAUGHTER ) HE'S HOPEFUL.
>> I DO.
>> Stephen: HE'S HOPEFUL.
>> HE IS HOPE GLFL YOU SAID-- I INTERVIEWED YOU YEARS AGO BACK
ON THIS OTHER SHOW I DID-- A CABLE ACCESS SHOW I USED TO DO.
( LAUGHTER ) VERY PROUD OF IT.
BUT-- >> KNEW-- I KNEW I HAD SEEN YOU
BEFORE.
>> Stephen: YEAH, YEAH.
>> I WAS DRIVING MYSELF CRAZY.
( APPLAUSE ) WHERE HAVE I SEEN YOU?
>> Stephen: YOU SAID ON THAT SHOW-- ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES I
INTERVIEWED YOU-- YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT RUNNING
FOR THE PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL.
>> OKAY.
>> Stephen: ON THIS SEASON, THERE'S ONE EPISODE WHERE YOU GO
TO ISRAEL-- >> WEST BANK.
>> Stephen: WEST BANK, AND YOU MEET A SISTER WHO WE'VE NEVER
HEARD OF BEFORE.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: FOR ONLY ONE EPISODE.
AND YOU GUYS DEBATE SETTLEMENTS IN THE WEST BANK.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: AND THAT WAS YOU PUTTING YOUR TOE IN ISRAELI
POLITICS AND SAYING, "LET'S THROW UP A TRIAL BALLOON HERE
AND SEE IF ANYBODY WOULD AGREE WITH ME?"
>> I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN FRONT OF 10
MILLION PEOPLE ACROSS THE WORLD.
I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION TO HAVE.
>> Stephen: YEAH.
>> AND I SAID TO YOU LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER IN THAT CABLE
VERSION OF YOUR EXISTENCE THAT-- THAT I WAS HOPING TO RUN FOR
PRIME MINISTER, AND I WANTED YOU TO BE MY SECRETARY OF STATE.
AND I-- AND I STILL WANTED TO DO THAT.
AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT, YOU AND I, AND WE WERE READY TO GO
FULL TILT ON THAT, AND THEN I GOT A CALL ABOUT 12 MINUTES
BEFORE I CAME OUT HERE THAT JARED KUSHNER WAS TAKIN TAKING T
JOB.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).
>> Stephen: I'M SO SORRY.
BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME.
>> HE SEEMS TO HAVE NOTHING BUT FREE TIME.
SO...
>> Stephen: ANY CHANCE THAT SAUL WILL SING ON "HOMELAND"?
BECAUSE STRANGELY, BIZARRELY TO ME, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO
ARE HUGE FANS OF YOURS WHO DO NOT KNOW THAT YOU ARE A BROADWAY
STAR WITH A VOICE OF AN ANGEL.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) WHAT WOULD SAUL SING?
( LAUGHTER ) THAT'S JUST TO GET ME TO STOP AT
THIS POINT.
>> NO, NO.
>> Stephen: WILL SAUL SING?
>> HE WILL SING IN SEASON 27.
( LAUGHTER ).
>> Stephen: I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
AGAIN, PLEASE.
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S SO INTERESTING, WHY IS "HOMELAND"
INTERESTING TO PEOPLE?
WHY DO THEY WANT TO TURN INTO A SHOW ABOUT TERRORISM, A SHOW
THAT GETS YOU ON THE EDGE OF YOUR SEAT, A SHOW THAT SCARES
YOU?
I THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS ALL THE TIME, AND I THINK
COLLECTIVELY, AS A HUMAN RACE, WE'RE ADDICTED TO ANXIETY.
AND I BELIEVE THAT ANXIETY, WE ALL STRUGGLE WITH IT, AND I HAVE
THIS THEORY THAT IF YOU GET YOUR FIX OF ANXIETY FOR THE DAY,
WHETHER IT'S IN WATCHING A HORROR MOVIE OR A SHOW ABOUT
TRUMP OR SEEING SOMETHING HORRIBLE THAT HAPPENS IN THE
WORLD, OR EVEN ON A FAMILY LEVEL-- AND I KNOW WE'VE
EXPERIENCED THIS.
IF YOU HAVE A GROUP OF FRIENDS AND ONE OF THE CHILDREN-- THIS
HAPPENED IN OUR FAMILY-- GETS ENCEPHLIGHTIS, THAT'S A QUIET
SILENCE THING THAT THE REST OF YOU SAY WHO HAVE CHILDREN,"NOW
IT WON'T HAPPEN TO US.
WHAT ARE ARE THE ODDS OF IT HAPPENING MORE THAN ONCE."
IT SOFERLT TAKES CARE OF THAT, EVEN IN THE FANTASY WORLD, AND I
THINK THAT'S WHY PEOPLE TUNE INTO THESE THINGS, INCLUDING--
GOD BLESS YOU-- FOR DISPLAYING THE TERRORISM, ANXIETY THROUGH
HUMOR, YOU KNOW, WHICH-- EVEN THROUGH HUMOR.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) WE --
>> Stephen: WELL, THIS IS HOW I DEAL WITH MY ANXIETY.
>> ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.
BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S FUNNY DOES NOT MAKE IT ANY LESS TERRIFYING.
IN FACT, MY FEELING, IT'S 1,000 TIMES MORE TERRIFYING.
>> Stephen: YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY-- IF YOU CAN SCARE ONE
PERSON, IT'S WORTH IT.
( LAUGHTER ).
>> YES, YES.
>> Stephen: BUT SPEAKING OF DEALING-- HERE'S AN EVEN BETTER
WAY TO DEAL WITH ANXIETY.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING AND YOU'RE DOING
AGAIN.
THIS IS YOU HELPING REFUGEES.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) SO WHERE IS THIS?
AND WHERE DID YOU DO IT?
WHAT I IS THIS?
>> I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE BOTH
AFTER SEASON FIVE, LITERALLY THE DAY WE WRAPPED AND THE DAY I
WRAPPED ON SEASON SIX, I FLEW IMMEDIATELY TO LESS BOAS,
GREECE, AND THIS TIME I TOOK MY WIFE, AND I WORK WITH THE
INTERNATIONAL REFUGEE COMMITTEE, AND I WORK WITH THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE THE MOST FRAGILE HUMAN BOOINGS, THE MOST VULNERABLE OF
OUR WORLD SOCIETY RIGHT NOW FLEEING THIS HORRIFIC WAR.
AND I HAVE GONE TO LESBOS, SERBIA, AND THE CROATIAN BORDER,
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY-- AND THIS REALLY RELATES TO
"HOMELAND" AS WELL.
IT'S WHERE THE ART AND THE FICTION ARE ONE AND THE SAME.
THIS BUSINESS OF LIES AND SOCK PUPETS AND FAKE NEWS AND ALSO--
THIS IS-- IN SOME WAYS YOU CAN CALL AT A GAME, BUT IT'S A GAME
THAT AFFECTS PEOPLE'S LIVES.
PEOPLE-- IT'S THE OLDEST TRICK IN THE BOOK, ALL THE BUSINESS OF
HOW THESE PEOPLE GET ELECTED.
IF YOU WANT TO RUN FOR MAYOR, CONGRESSMAN, AULDERMAN, I TELL
YOU WHO TO BE AFRAID OF.
IN THE MOVIES IT USED TO BE COWBOYS, COMMUNISTS.
NOW THEY HAVE VILIFIED THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY.
THE ISLAMIC COMMUTEY WHO HAS MADE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE WORLD
THAT IS MONUMENTAL IN TERMS OF ART AND OTHER THINGS THAT THEY
GIVE US-- ( APPLAUSE )
BUT THAT-- THAT LITTLE BOY, THAT-- THAT LITTLE BOY-- THAT
LITTLE BOY IN THAT PICTURE WHO IS HOLD MIGHT GO BEARD-- HE
CALLED ME GRANDPA-- THESE ARE REAL CHILDREN, REAL FAMILIES.
AND THEY ARE DESPERATE TO HAVE SANCTUARY, A NEW HOME.
I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND MORE THAN ANYTHING, THE VETTING
PROCESS IS AN 18-MONTH TO TWO-YEAR PROCESS.
YOU DON'T GET IN THE DOORS, UNLESS THE U.N.H.C.R., FEELS YOU
AS AN INDIVIDUAL OR FAMILY CAN MAKE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THE PEOPLE WHO GET THROUGH IT AND THESE REFUGEES ARE THE
SAFEST CITIZENS THAT THE UNITED STATES CAN WELCOME.
AND ALL OF US ARE-- ARE PRODUCTS OF OUR ANCESTRY AND OUR PARENTS
WHO WERE REFUGEES.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) THESE REFUGEES-- THESE REFUGEE
REFUGEES-- ( APPLAUSE )
THESE REFUGEES ARE THE DEFINITION OF-- THEY ARE THE
DEFINITION OF THE FABRIC OF OUR COUNTRY, AND THEY ARE THE PEOPLE
WHO TRULY MAKE AMERICA GREAT.
SO LET US OPEN OUR ARMS AND WELCOME THEM TO THIS COUNTRY AND
EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).
>> Stephen: THANK YOU, MANDY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THE SEASON FINALE OF "HOMELAND"