REPUBLICANS AND TRUMP SUPPORTERS
EVERYWHERE.
>> BRIAN STELTER, "RELIABLE
FORCES HOST, AND A NEW BOOK OUT
TODAY CHRONICLE HOW FOX NEWS
BECAME RADICALIZED, A DESPERATE
RATINGS DECISION.
AND THE MANAGEMENT TEAM TRIED TO
FIND A WAY TO LURE THE FOX
AUDIENCE BACK HOME AND GAVE THE
VIEWERS WHAT WE WANTED, THEY DID
IT, FALSE HOPE.
AND BRIAN STELTER JOINS ME NOW.
THIS CAME OUT BEFORE THESE
EVENTS AND YOU DID REWRITING FOR
THE PAPERBACK.
REALLY FASCINATING MOMENT.
>> YES.
>> AFTER THE ELECTION WHERE
REALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ITS
ENTIRE TIME ON CABLE NEWS THAT
FOX HAD REAL COMPETITION FROM
SORT OF UPSTART RIGHT-WING
NETWORKS EATING INTO THEIR
AUDIENCE.
SEEING NUMBER THE IN A WAY WE
HADNT BEFORE.
WHAT DID THAT DO?
PLAY OUT IN FOX?
AND WHAT DID IT DO TO THEM AN
WHAT THEY WERE PUTTING ON-AIR?
>> TERRIFIED FOX PRODUCERS,
ANCHORS AND HOSTS LIKE NEVER
SCARED BEFORE, BECAUSE AS YOU
SAID, CHRIS.
FOX IN A MONOPOLY ON RIGHT-WING
TV AND ALL THAT CHANGED AFTER
JANUARY 3rd.
CUT INTO THE BASE AUDIENCE AND
FOX LURED THEM BACK BY RUNNING
TO THE RIGHT.
HAPPENS STEP-BY-STEP,
DAY-BY-DAY.
HARD TO NOTICE IF ONLY WATCHING
MINUTE-BY-MINUTE.
WHEN I STEPPED BACK ITS CLEAR
ABOUT GETTING RID OF THE NEWS
AND ADDING MORE OPINION ABOUT
THE NEWS.
THE RESULT, ITS WORKED.
THEY SCARED AWAY NEWSMAX.
WEE KBOUND
REBOUNDED BECAUSE THEY HAVE
RADICALIZED.
>> ESPECIALLY PARTICULARLY SEEMS
TO ME ON THESE BIG QUESTIONS,
RIGHT?
THE BIG LIE AND THEN THE
INSURRECTION THAT IN THE WAKE OF
THE, MY UNDERSTANDING AND SOME
OF YOUR REPORTING INDICATES
THIS, THAT THE VIEW FROM CERTAIN
PARTS AT LEAST AT THE TOP OF FOX
WAS LIKE JOE BIDEN WON THIS
ELECTION AND WE SHOULD TOLE OURE
VIEWERS THAT.
AND THAT CREATED THE VEXEN
BECAUSE PEOPLE DIDNT WANT TO
HERE THAT.
>> CREATED INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF
TENSION WITHIN FOX BECAUSE
VIEWERS HAD AN OPTION.
HAD AN OPTION TO GO TO NEWS MAX
WHERE BIDEN WAS NOT PRESIDENT
ELECT AND TRUMP MIGHT STILL BE A
WINNER.
>> RIGHT.
>> A LOT OF THAT CONTRIBUTES TO
THE ENVIRONMENT WE DEAL WITH
JANUARY th.
THIS IS THE FIRST BOOK GRAPPLES
WITH THE RIOT AND AFTERMATH.
IF YOU DIDNT HAVE MONTHS OF
COMMENTARY, DIDNT HAVE THESE
MONTHS OF LIES ON FOX AND NEWS
MAX YOU DO NOT GET TO THE STEPS
OF CAPITOL. IT JUST CANT HAPPEN WITHOUT
IT JUST CANT HAPPEN WITHOUT
THIS RADICALIZED RIGHT-WING TV.
>> WHOS GIVING ORDERS, WHOS
RECEIVING THEM?
WHOS FOLLOWING WHOM?
A QUESTION THROUGHOUT.
ONE OF THE DIE INTERNATIONALYNAM
PRESIDENCY, TALKING ABOUT
STATE-CONTROLLED MEDIA.
MORE LIKE A MEDIA-CONTROLLED
STATE.
DONALD TRUMP WOULD WATCH FOX AND
THEN THAT WOULD TELL HIM,
LIKE -- THEY WERE SORT OF
RUNNING THE SHOW.
HE WAS RESPONDING TO IT, AND
THEN THE SITUATION WHICH FOX
TRIES TO SET THE AGENDA AND
CANT DO IT.
EVERYONE IS CHASING THE SAME
BASE.
EVERYONE THINKS THEYRE
FOLLOWING.
>> WHY SO MANY SOURCES AT FOX
STARTED TO LEAK TO ME IN THE
TRUMP YEARS, BECAUSE THEY WERE
DISTURBED BY WHAT YOURE
DESCRIBING.
THEY WERE DISTURBED BY THE FACT
THAT THEY WERE SETTING THE AJIND
DA
AGENDA FOR THE PRESIDENT.
A WHITE HOUSE AIDE FOX SUFFERED
FROM FOX NEWS BRAIN.
IN A CAVE OF HIS OWN MAKING
NAPTS SCARY.
SCARIER, MILLIONS OF VIEWERS ARE
THERE AS WELL.
THAT IS A PERISHABLY DIFFERENT
FROM THE BUSH OR OBAMA YEARS.
>> YOU SAY THIS IN THE BOOK,
THAT PRACTICALLY EVERY CHANGE,
TALKING CHANGES MADE IN
THE-OF-IN THIS PERIOD FRAENETIC
FEAR, LIKE SERVING DESSERT ABOUT
HOW OUFLAWFUL THE DINNER WAS AND
ARE CHEFS SO CORRUPT?
I ALWAYS FOUND THE NEWS PART A
LITTLE HARD TO SWALLOW.
YOU MAKE THE ARGUMENT THERE WAS
AN ACTUAL NEWS DIVISION THAT
ACTUALLY HAS BEEN ESSENTIALLY
PUSHED BACK, AND FORCED TO
RETREAT?
>> THERE ARE REAL JOURNALISTS AT
FOX BUT FEWER AND FEWER OF THEM,
HAVE FEWER AIR TIME AND FEEL
MORE PRESSURE TO TOE THE
RIGHT-WING LINE.
IT MOVES ALONG THE SAME PATH PAP
REPORTER AT FOX YOU KNOW THE
THREE-STEP APPROACH THAT I
OUTLINE IN "HOST."
THREE-STEP APPROACH TO
WHITEWASHING BAD NEWS, ABOUT THE
GOP. IGNORE IT IF YOU CAN, EXCUSE IT
IGNORE IT IF YOU CAN, EXCUSE IT
IF YOU CANT OR CONCONSPIRACY IT
WHEN THEY CANT IGNORE IT THEY
COME UNWITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES
ABOUT IT.
ITS SICKENING AND FAULT OF THE
MURDOCHS.
RUPERT AND MURDOCK ALLOWED IT TO
HAPPEN BY NOT SHOWING LEADERSHIP
AT THE NETWORK.
>> AND SINGLE MOST FIGURE IN THE