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you know I thought we talk about what this film does that the book doesn't
doing I came back from sundance
arrested while what's what's new what's new and the main thing this news the the
film
in and that you have a lot of different tools at your disposal to make this film
um as you were setting about adapting this together
um more the plan I think the plan was to try to have
I mean first well films necessarily need to focus
if you were to a you know if you were to transcribe a film
would be a lot shorter than marriage book I'm and
and so that's one thing we had to do was to find a focus and and the person to
believe
became the essential folks but I think the other thing that films can do
is the give you an emotional understanding
have how this works and so it's a very immersive I think the film that's what
the film's contribution
is suddenly and also we're able through all sorts of
methods to obtain a lot of church materials
that show some love the wilder ceremonies inside the church some other
training mechanisms and then that added to the testimony people like Paul and
Mike
and Hannah and a spanking Taylor injuries in the gay and others
really gives you a sense gives you a feeling what it's like
both to get in to be locked in and then how
they all got out so I i think it's an immersive in kind of emotional
aspect that the film was really able to provide and what were the most cinematic
moments
is is the recreation
the whole mom and Lawrence I was wondering
having dollar reporting on that in the book
lot which hand in out before the book was released
what was it like saying that section of the film
I Bohemian Rhapsody blast saying well let me tell you a little bit about that
the whole what it was a I love my kids had first-hand experience
a in Southern California
the Sea Org which is the clergy the church there's a
the International base their and is very remote very isolated
and there maybe
you think about 5,000 people and the Sea Org
total yeah something like that
order bags yeah and this is where the international headquarters is
a a few years ago
more than a decade now are the leader the church david miscavige
began and confining his senior executives
in word is a para double wide trailer that had been married together
took out all the furniture slept that people slept on the floor
a it was infested with ants there was a lot of physical abuse going on
and they were your in mister this this one out for
not like a weekend you know the nominal leader of the Church President George he
virgins was in there for seven years
the so this is you know and as many as a hundred people
inside the space and lots a physical abuse
this fight a someone was made to mop
the toilet floor with his tongue a you know that kinda
hideous abuse eating sloppy out a bucket a
and a there was a
the Bohemian Rhapsody the the the story that
that you're alluding to a 1i
David Miscavige came into the hole with a boombox
on his shoulder and he said where play musical chairs and this is actually a
Scientology
term which means that frequent changes postino people
changing jobs and the but that wasn't what he had mine
it was a actually going to be the game where they
brought in shares and the he would play
Bohemian Rhapsody the Queen song and %uh the last person
to be still on a chair we get to stay
everybody else you're outta here your marriage is a be blown up you'll be sent
to the far corners of the world or
be kicked out of Scientology and this went on for hours
and fights broke out clothes were torn
chairs were broken and was so striking is they were fighting to stay
when I finally left my wife divorce me both my children disconnected from me my
mother disconnected my brother
my sister every knees every nephew every but
every living person that is a blood relative mine
disconnected from me just like that
done and never spoken to again
my a mother never knew that she had a new grandson
nothing and it is a very very powerful mechanism
of controlling people and the way that that
is used in particular it this film is coming out
scientologists will be told don't watch this film oh my god it's terrible it's
the attacks
it's the enemies they're all it's like the New World Order is coming together
so they banged on the doors and
in the in the face and Alex Gibney he's the leader of the
the charge from people will be
then told that if you do watch it
you will be declared suppressive and by being declared suppressive
everybody who was a Scientologist that is around you whether it's your husband
or your wife or your children or your parents
the people you work with or anybody else they will all disconnect from
you the fabulous thing about this is that while that is happening
you are also being told that scientology
is you know if is is searching for the truth
that Scientologists do in fact even have courses about accommodate is
series evaluators course you what you're supposed to be able to talk
to take any data any as they say
any information at all and judge it and say okay
I see why this works and why this doesn't and make your own decision
and we're all taught every single scientologist %uh
is proud of that that they believe that they can be in a pretty much figure
anything for themselves and don't need to be
spoon-fed on fact at the same time they're being
they they are being told you cannot look at this information
this information is not be poisonous it will
it will destroy you in all your friends your fam and somehow we can hold both
those things to be true in that effort investment I was really struck by
the focus of this someone to vaulting crews unit that
if you talk about the choices you have to make a boiling down this book
it seemed designed to really put specific pressure
yeah on travolta in crews to either reform
or pasta sauces that was up are the idea take credibly gutsy by the way guys he
was terrific
here somewhere I was incredibly got see I was so impressed by at
well her
a glad you did nah
yeah the crew story was the fact that david miscavige was
terrified that he was losing control
up Tom Cruise because tom Cruise is the greatest rainmaker really for
Scientology
and and Nicole Kidman's father
was a psychiatrist psychologist psychologist
in Australia psychologists or Sun
psychology itself is anathema scientologist
and miscavige was afraid that Nicole Kidman was slowly taking
Tom away from the church is so there was a concerted effort
to get him back and one of the things they did was
a you know it at Tom's b has money Rathman testifies in the film
who that that David Miscavige requested
morry to go and tap call commands from the other
more pernicious thing that happened was there I'm
they tried to turn the two kids
their two kids against Nicole which is really the most horrifying thing or
I mean anticipated and they succeeded yeah I
and and the and is so much so that
you know we we are people who told us that the
that they began to refer to their mother privately as a suppressive person
no it seems is staggering but and then they were told
now listen the way you deal with suppressive people is don't let
don't let on to them that you know that their suppressive person
so nice smile but be aware that
this person is more dangerous and damaging anything could possibly
so it's just this idea of a church that is basically
you know touts itself as a something that is contributing to freedom
I E
the the Orwellian conundrum that
and the reason we're calling out crews and remote is they have the capacity of
the park to
to change it runner there are only two ways that you can
address the abuses that are going on inside Scientology one is to
reexamine the tax exemption
and and the IRS was so thoroughly
whipped in 1993 by the Church of Scientology
that'd may not have the nerve to go back and do that again
but the but the some other celebrity megaphones that they were turned around
in the other direction they can make a difference
and they should make a different what do you think that they could do
what would you like to as likely to talk to her stand up and say it's time for
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