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I am Yokoo from the Universal Sufi Order.
Please bear with me as I answer your questions.
It's been a while.
Today at the ALRA TV Studio, we have a guest, Mr. Wajid.
Yes, Mr. Wajid. Greetings.
Greetings.
I am Wajid. Please bear with me.
Mr. Yokoo in the last video, we talked about spirituality.
Yes.
Today, in order to understand it better, I have some follow up questions.
Yes.
Is it okay if I ask these questions?
Yes, please.
Thank you.
Last time, we discussed spirituality.
My first question: nowadays, people are doing different things such as yoga and meditation for inner peace.
Is it also spirituality?
Incorrect, it isn't spirituality.
Yoga is for the body.
Yoga helps relax the muscles in the body.
When the muscles are relaxed, your body feels relaxed.
Oh, I see.
Yes.
Meditation is for the relaxation of mind. Only the mind feels relaxed with meditation.
Both of these things have nothing to do with spirituality.
Spirituality is to enlighten the spirits in the human body.
Once the spirits are awakened, you feel at peace while working and you feel at peace while sleeping.
Oh, I see and I understand it.
Yes, Mr. Wajid.
So while doing yoga, we feel physically relaxed and while meditating, we feel some peace of mind.
But the next day, we feel the same [as we did before these practices] because of our hectic lives and schedules.
Yes, you will end up feeling tired again because of the hard work.
The feeling of relaxation one gets from doing yoga is very temporary.
I understood it. Thank you.
My second question: why did God make so many different types of creatures?
God made most of the these creatures make human life itself more interesting.
In total, God made 18,000 different creatures in this world.
Oh really?
Yes, Mr. Wajid.
For example, is a fish one of such type of creation?
Yes. For example if you eat the same thing everyday, you will feel bored.
Yes, indeed.
That's why God has different types of fish. You can choose, for example, between eating tuna, salmon or mackerel.
God has blessed us with a lot of different types of fish in the sea.
In the similar way, on land, God provided creatures like chickens, goats and cows.
I see.
That's why you can eat different things on different days and enjoy your life.
Understood. It means if I don't want to eat fish everyday, I can enjoy chicken or I can enjoy mutton or beef.
I do feel that it is very important.
While we are talking about food, I remember an interesting thing while I was in Japan.
What is it? I also want to hear it. Please tell me about it.
It is a very interesting story.
The very first time I went to Japan, I visited a restaurant to have food.
I couldn't understand the menu as all the dishes were Japanese dishes.
After thinking a lot, I decided to order a dish called 'Ten-Don'.
When the dish (Ten-don) was served, it was served with chop sticks.
Oh, I see. That is the way it is normally served in Japan.
Yes but when I saw the chopsticks, I was very concerned as to how to eat the food with them.
Anyway, I started to eat with the chopsticks but it took me around 40 minutes to finish the food after a lot of effort.
I see, you were finding it difficult to eat with the chopsticks.
It was very difficult and the people around me in the restaurant were laughing.
But the dish was very tasty and I went to eat it again on the following day.
Ten-don is delicious, I also like it a lot.
The next day, the staff of the restaurant were looking very curious to see how will this foreigner eat the dish with chopsticks.
Oh I see. So the staff were a bit concerned!
Yes, that's when I took out the fork from my pocket to eat it. Everyone around me start laughing.
But Ten-Don was really delicious and it became my favourite Japanese food.
Yes, I can understand. Chopsticks can be difficult for foreigners to us. I also struggled with chopsticks when I first started using them.
While I was living in a training centre in Japan, one of my friends taught me how to use chopsticks.
To help me get used to using them, he gave me green beans in a plate along with a spare plate.
He told me to pick a bean from one plate and put it in the other plate using the chopsticks. That is how I learned and practiced using them.
I see. How are your chopsticks skill now? Can you use them easily?
Yes, I am alright with it. I can use it while eating sushi and sashimi.
In my view, Japanese food is very delicious. What do you think?
Yes, I agree. It is very delicious.
Thank you. Please bear with me.
My next question: in order to produce divine energy in the heart, what type of name is offered by the Spiritual Master to the seeker?
There are different names used. For example, if someone is a Muslim - since the name of God Muslims use is Allah, the Sufi Master offers them the name of Allah.
If someone is Christian, they believe in Jesus. The original name of Jesus is Eesa, so the Sufi Master grants them the divine name 'Ya Eesa'.
If someone is a Buddhist, they are offered another original name of God, i.e. 'Raam'.
All of these are God's names. Once you synchronise God's name with the heartbeat, the divine light production starts in the heart.
I see, it means that depending on the belief of person, a different name is granted by the Sufi Master to produce the divine energy.
I do understand it. Again, I learnt something new!
Next question: once heart is enlightened to produce the divine energy, do other souls in the body awaken at the same time do they take longer?
No, other souls doesn't get enlightened right away.
Firstly, the heart is covered with the 180,000 webs.
Oh really, webs around the heart?
You have to clear your heart from these webs and have to use God's name to produce the divine energy.
I see.
Once the heart starts taking the name of God and divine energy is produced, this energy spreads throughout the body with the bloodstream.
That's how the energy reaches to the other souls and these souls gets enlightened.
It does takes some time but to speed up the overall process, you have to practice [repeating God's name] everyday.
Understood.
It means that one's gender doesn't matter. The seeker can be male or female, the process is the same for both. Everyone has the same number of webs around the heart, 180,000 in total.
Exactly, gender doesn't matter. Once the 180,000 webs are cleared and divine every is produced, your souls become enlightened.
I see,
Well, I have a related question.
Once God's name is granted by the Spiritual Master, how can we practise everything by ourselves?
Yes, it is a very important question.
Let's say your heartbeats are slow, weak and difficult to notice.
But you like some sports and while you are enjoying the sport - such as running or other exertions - your heartbeats become more prominent.
You can start taking God's name with the increased heartbeat to produce the divine energy.
Another way to practise this is to imagine that your index finger is like a pen. And before going to sleep, write down God's name with the index finger [upon the heart].
Understood.
Yes if you keep practising it, your heartbeat will increase and you will hear the same name of God that you are writing with your heartbeats.
I see. It means the same name which you were granted by the Sufi Master.
It should be used during this practice with the index finger and person will hear the same name in his heartbeats.
Yes, the same name will be heard with the heartbeats.
So if someone is a Muslim and he took the name of Allah from the Sufi Master, he will use this name and will hear it in his heartbeats.
A Christian will use Eesa as God's name and he will use and hear this name.
This is great, a lot more clearer now. Thank you so much.
Next question: how does spirituality relate to religions and is there any relationship between them?
Spirituality isn't a religion.
Spirituality does relate to the souls.
Religions offer you outer knowledge that relates to your body.
For example, if someone is a Muslim, he prays in the mosque whereas a Christian goes for prayer in church.
These prayers are offered by your physical body.
I see,
Spirituality is for everyone. It has noting to do with religion. A person who doesn't follow a religion can also get benefit from spirituality.
I see. It means it doesn't matter if you are in a religion or don't believe in a religion; you can still become spiritual.
They can get permission from the Sufi Master to use the name of God and become enlightened.
Yes, once you receive the name of God, with the practice, you can enlighten your souls and establish your connection with the God.
I see.
Yes, that's why it isn't a religion and it has no dependency on religion.
Religion is only for the body and it is only used in this world, once the person dies the body dies in this world.
Only the celestial souls of the person go to the higher realms.
I remember, in the last video you explained the celestial souls in great detail.
You told us that in the chest, there are five souls in a dormant condition. After the death, these souls go to the higher realms.
And spirituality is to enlighten these celestial souls.
I see.
Mr. Wajid,
not all of the celestial souls go to the higher realms.
Only the Main Human Soul (Rouh) goes to the higher realms.
Other souls are only the auxiliary spirits.
I see, I wasn't aware of this reality.
In the last sitting, we discussed the purpose of different souls i.e. one to help in speaking, another to help in listening and one to help us to think.
These auxiliary souls do not go to the higher realms [when we die].
I see.
But in order to enlighten the souls, the first step starts with the enlightenment of the heart.
But the soul that relates to heart doesn't go to the higher realms.
Only the Main Human Soul (Rouh) goes to the higher realms.
Yes, that is your real soul.
I see, all of this is very special and secret knowledge.
Yes it is spirituality and it is real knowledge
I see,
My last question is: while the heart is being enlightened,
during this phase, if the person does some bad deed, what will happen?
If the heart becomes enlightened, a person doesn't do the bad deeds.
Oh really, it is true?
Yes as the divine light of God is very special and strong. It helps you to get rid of the urge to do any bad deeds.
Especially if the person practises commemorating the name of God with the heartbeats.
Person who do this start to naturally dislike these bad things.
I wasn't aware of it.
Well, it means the very first thing is to obtain the permission to use God's name [in the heart].
Next, a person should do daily practice in order to enlighten his heart and other souls.
Once the souls get enlightened, one doesn't feel the urge to do the bad deeds.
Yes, Mr. Wajid.
You understood it very well.
Thank you, it is really amazing.
I learnt a lot today. Once again, thank you.
Well, everyone here, we will finish today's discussion
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