>> Ms Michele McCoy I'm hoping that you've all been able to synthesise
the discussion and bring it together into one comment. Fiona has assured me that this
is all going to be collected and written up. So what you've discussed and what you've written
up is not going to be lost. I would suggest that if you hear something that reflects your
key point, you quickly choose something else and take the opportunity.
But I'm going to go with what's easier for me. I'm just going to start at the right of
the room and can we go somehow...and I keep forgetting I shouldn't walk away from the
microphone.
>> Unknown1 Okay, so our point was, the tools were great,
so how can we make them more digitally available, so that they can be adjusted and used by different
people? So thinking about if you were a university student, how can we make sure it links to
your CPD.
>> Ms Michele McCoy Can you just...sorry to help, thank you. I
keep forgetting about it, that's my fault.
>> Unknown1 So how can we make the tools more digitally
available, so that they can be adjusted for use either by individuals or teams, and you
would be able to save it online? And we understand that NES has an online platform called [inaudible]
which we think could be an opportunity possibly for those to be uploaded to.
>> Ms Michele McCoy Okay, thank you for that. If you carry the
microphone, that's a really good way of getting it around the room. So we'll go from table to
table that way.
>> Unknown2 I think it was a bit difficult for us to settle
on one thing. But I think the main thing was about being very positive about how the framework
is going to support people. We sort of hit the nail on the head that it's not a negative
thing, but it's not about making people have to apply for registration, that it's there
to support people to identify their skills and their experience, and use that in their
career progression and to support them in their own development.
And Gabe, one of the points that you brought up was about how we utilise the framework
in all the various different pieces of work that are going on, and being clear about what
the needs are for each of those. Did you want to say anything else about that?
>> Gabe That's what you call passing the baton. I
suppose, [inaudible] what we are basically saying, the framework is actually very good
but there's a whole lot of things happening just now. We've got the Workforce Development
Group, we've got the Public Health Review. And potentially, how can we feed it into all
the things which are happening, the stuff which is happening with postgraduate nursing,
all these type of things. So the trick is how we actually feed it in. We've got a tool
but it has to get put into the system. If not, it's going to sit up here and they're
not going to use it.
>> Ms Michele McCoy Yes, there's a team of people are going to
be doing that. Thanks.
>> Unknown3 Thank you. Our one key point is that we should
be considering embedding and formalising the framework into core local and national decision
making. Maybe using practical tools for practice, for recruitment, for staff development, and
taking care to articulate the skills and knowledge for the core and the wider workforce. One
key point.
>> Ms Michele McCoy Great. Thank you.
>> Wendy Thank you. I guess our point is very similar
to the two that were described just a moment ago. But I guess it was about appreciation
that the opportunity for this is that it could be the golden thread that links a number of
these developments, or links to some of these national developments. But I think we also
described the appreciation that it's not going to happen by chance, that we need to be deliberate,
there needs to be leadership, co-ordination. And it was about that national and local again.
And also, an appreciation of there being value in having a clear infrastructure and process
to support implementation of it.
>> Ms Michele McCoy Great. Thank you, Wendy.
>> Unknown4
Hi there. Our group had talked about how user friendly it is compared to the last cube,
and how empowering it is for people that maybe don't have the academic qualifications that
some do to evidence their skills. What we talked about was the national lead. We really
need that strong leadership, so that it doesn't just sit there on the shelf not getting used.
And the inclusion, we had a third sector person round the table, which was really good, talking
about the importance of making sure the third sector continues to be included in using the
framework, even if that's applied locally. Local groups sitting around using the framework,
and see what the common skills are around the table, and looking at what opportunities
they can use then to develop themselves. We talked about the long term conditions group,
even sitting multiagency groups round a table and having sessions where the framework's
used to pick up on that.
>> Ms Michele McCoy Great, thank you.
>> Unknown5 Our group talked about the wider workforce,
and we felt the framework could help the wider workforce to recognise their valuable part
in the public health family.
>> Ms Michele McCoy Thank you.
>> Unknown6 Our group said that the framework offers an
opportunity for consistency over a number of areas, and should commit to testing it
out and then changing it if we need to.
>> Unknown7 Our group focused on workforce planning, and
we felt this was an opportunity to use the framework to plan for both the current and
future workforce, and identify key areas of focus, staff development and, indeed, what
new roles we need to take the agenda forward.
>> Unknown8 Our group said everything that everybody else
said, but I'm still going to get my tuppence worth in. [inaudible] was really getting a
bit shout-out today and a big promotion around digital literacy. Our top one was use the
framework to create dialogue about health inequalities, and reinforce that it's all
our priorities. And to look across the wider public health workforce, including strategic
leadership, and identify resources to illustrate further practical examples.
>> Ms Michele McCoy Great. That's been something from every table,
hasn't it? I don't know what you all think, but I think those are great key points. And
there's some commonality and some challenges to pick up on, and help us focus. Anything
else that anybody just wants to add to that?
Okay. Thank you for all that. There's obviously been a lot of energy. I keep saying that,
but it's really true. You've been thinking hard about and listening to what was presented
and thinking about how we might go forward with this. And that does kind of bring us
to the point in the day where we're starting to close down and reflect on what has been
happening in this room today and the learning from that. And I would like to just maybe
offer some of my reflections and comments.
And I would like to start by saying that I think we've had excellent presentations throughout,
without question. I think there has been lots for us all to think about. I think the last
hour has been reflective of that. There's been, as I say, huge discussion going on,
and there will be more. You'll go away and you'll think about things, there'll be further
questions.
I think the point earlier about this being an iterative process was important. Because
we've got something, we're reflecting on that, there's further development, what are we going
to do with it in Scotland, all those. And further engagement and opportunity.
I also think the point that's been made a number of times about distributive leadership.
But I also fully believe in that. It's leadership at all levels, whatever level somebody is
working at. Because it's not just for the most senior people, we must be looking at
that.
Because we're working at a time of transformational change. We've mentioned earlier today, and
just a reminder the review of structures, new organisations, new roles. And the outcome
of all of that isn't always clear. I mean, that's what transformational change is about.
And we're in the middle of that with this public health agenda and looking at the workforce,
and what sort of a workforce do we need in the future. It needs collaboration. And that's
also something that's been said over and over again by a number of people.
The learning from others. We had some reflections in the presentations, but there's lots going
on around Scotland. We need to learn. We must not reinvent wheels everywhere. I think we
could do more in terms of sharing that learning and offering it to other places.
And I think also some of the comments earlier today, again, about the core workforce and
the wider workforce. And that has run through today. Somebody used the term earlier, the
golden thread. But I think it runs through because of the challenges that we have, it
can't just be the core, it needs to be the whole workforce. So there's a lot to consider.
And I think this is the start for us and the contribution that can be made in terms of
the challenges that we face.
So as we now conclude the day, I want to note that all the presentations are going to be
made available. I understand it won't be in the next day or two, but it will be in the
next week or so.
You'll also receive a request for feedback. And I would encourage you to complete that,
because that's part of this iterative process. And knowing we've got lots of information
from today but we - I keep saying we, it's not me at all, I'll be part of it somewhere
along the line - you know, we need to get that feedback and understand how we can go
forward with this, and that continuing engagement.
I have noted that the comments questions are all going to be collated and there will be
a short report from today, which will be shared with you all. And it will also be shared with
the Scottish Public Health Workforce Development Group for consideration.
So that does bring me to thanking a number of people. I want to thank all the contributors,
the speakers, the facilitators and you, the participants. I also want to give a big thank
you to the staff. And I don't know about you, but I think it's a great venue, it's one I've
never been to before. There's been plenty of light in the room and it's a good sized
room. So I think I said I wanted to thank a number of people and actually probably,
hopefully, I've thanked everybody, because that's what I want to do.
It has been a pleasure to chair today, because I think these are exciting times for public
health in Scotland and the UK generally. And we're trying to embrace all of that. I hope
you'll all go home energised.
And it just leaves me to finally wish you all a very safe journey home. We've finished
early, which I think's always a good thing.
So thank you all.
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