(Mansur) Does God say he is one god?
(Woman 1) Yes.
(Mansur) Okay, is Jesus that one god?
(Woman 1) Yes, elohim.
The same I said to you—
Because this is my flesh
but we all know that when we die
this goes to the ground
but we will still live.
Why, if all my flesh is dead?
(Mansur) Okay.
(Woman 1) So there must be another thing
is that part a—
(Mansur) What I don't follow is this.
To you God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Together they make how many gods?
(Woman 1) It's one.
(Mansur) Good.
So you believe one God—
That's why I'm asking you to tell me.
One God is Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.
Together they make one God, right?
(Woman 1) Yes.
(Mansur) Good.
Individually, how much of God is the Father?
Because God is when they're together,
but individually, is he one third God?
(Woman 1) Is your flesh one thing
and your thoughts the second thing?
(Mansur) Sorry?
(Woman 1) Or is part of your—
(Mansur) Part!
(Woman 1) You see it's part of—
So is the Father part of God?
Is the father part of God?
Is the Son part of God?
Is the Holy Spirit part of God?
So you've made God into parts.
How much part is he?
One third, 33.33%?
More? Less? Equal?
Let me ask you again, is the Father—just to clarify,
is the Father 100% God or is he one third God?
This is not a spiritual thing anymore.
We're not talking about spirituality,
we're talking about reality.
When you say God is the Father, Son and
the Holy Spirit together they're one God,
that means individually they cannot be that one God.
They are part of that one God.
How much part of it?
They cannot be equal because the whole
is always greater than the parts.
So if the Father is part of God,
then he's not 100% God.
He's less than God.
If he's equal to the whole, then
there are three gods, not one God.
So I am asking—I'm going to ask you again.
Is the Father 100% God or less than 100% god?
(Woman) Hundred percent.
(Mansur) Hundred percent!
If he's 100% God, is he the same as the Trinity,
Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, or less or more?
Being 100% God.
Do you see what the problem is?
Now you ha—
(Woman 1) But you are trying to understand this
from your carnal mind.
(Mansur) No, I'm trying to understand from common sense.
Do you have common sense? Of course you do.
We all have common sense.
Wait, wait—
According to—no, no.
According to common sense,
would you take this tripod as God?
The Bible doesn't talk about tripods, so you can't
say the Bible doesn't say anything about it.
Would you say this is God in any way, shape or form?
You would say no.
Why do you say it's not God?
The Bible doesn't talk about tripods.
What are you using?
What are you using other than the Bible
which doesn't talk about tripods,
that this is not God?
Tell me.
You are using something and I want to establish
what that is, and I'm going to use that thing.
So what are you using to say this tripod is not God?
It's not the Scripture for sure.
Bible for sure doesn't talk about tripods.
So you're using common sense,
logic, reason, rationality, intellect.
If you use those things when it comes to the
tripod when it comes to God or a tripod or
a man or a woman, use your intellect.
Because God gave us our intellect for a reason.
(Woman 1) Because you are on the Earth
and until you are having your flesh,
you need to—all the laws in the earth
are having impact on you
and your life is impacted by that.
(Mansur) But do you understand my argument?
We are using common sense logic.
So logic tells us that God has to be most perfect.
He has to be independent.
He has to be self sufficient.
(Hamza) Okay, so this is Exodus 7.
Then the Lord said t—
this is obviously the English.
The Hebrew is elohim, yeah.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh,
And in the Hebrew it says Elohim.
Now, is Moses plural or singular?
(Woman 1) This is—no.
(Hamza) But we know, it's your Bible.
(Mansur) Do you want to show the Hebrew interlinear?
(Woman 1) Yeah, if you—
(Hamza) Sorry, forgive me. Which bible do you read?
(Woman 1) I read KIG.
(Hamza) What?
KIG. King James.
(Hamza) KJV.
(Mansur) KJV. Bring the interlinear Hebrew.
So while you're doing this, my sister in humanity.
(Hamza) KJV.
And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh:
(Woman 1) Hebrew.
(Hamza) Alright, you're not in Hebrew.
(Mansur) So as we are speaking, when we say God
God is the most perfect being.
He is one without any imperfections and deficiencies.
Do you agree?
God is not deficient.
(Hamza) Can you read Hebrew?
(Mansur) He's perfect.
(Woman 1) I want to—
(Hamza) Can you read Hebrew?
(Woman 1) Not this Hebrew.
(Hamza) Which one? I'm giving you a Hebrew.
You want in Hebrew or not?
(Mansur) If you get interlinear transliterated Hebrew, that will help.
From BibleHub.
(Hamza) Okay.
(Mansur) So what we are saying God is the most perfect
he is not deficient, he is not imperfect.
That means he has to be self sufficient.
Becoming—being dependent is a
weakness, is a deficiency.
Is Jesus dependent or independent?
He is dependent.
Any being who is dependent cannot be God
because God is the only being
who is self sufficient and independent.
Jesus is eternally dependent on the Father,
so he can never be God.
He's eternally not God.
Because God is a being who is self sufficient.
Jesus is not self sufficient.
He is dependent on the Father
for his own life, for his existence.
So any being who is dependent on
the Father, on God is not God.
I don't have to go to any
scripture, find out any scripture—common sense!
Because God is self sufficient, Jesus is not.
We are all not self sufficient.
Everything in the creation that
you can see are dependent.