(Host) I think people are more involved in scarcity-driven concerns.
- Yes - You know, more than ever!
And abundance is the way to eliminate that. - Well, right, right.
- Not only an abundance in resources
but also knowledge: how to use that abundance.
If you just produce an abundance and distribute that to people
you'll [have] mass hedonism: a total collapse of the society.
You must educate people to live with that.
In other words, you have to tell people
even during instruction, [for example] learning to fly an airplane:
what you can't do, what your landing speed has to be.
If you don't have a certain speed you will not rise off the ground.
If you don't maintain the speed in landing, your craft will fall to the ground.
These are laws, physical laws, and we must become aware
of the physical laws that affect human behavior, our values, our lifestyle.
- (Jacque) ...rates, going up like that and the amount of people needed
to turn out a given amount of products.
It's always less people and higher products, do you follow me?
[J. Rifkin] said: "When production hits this,
and the amount of people required hits that,
when they cross, that's the end of the system."
Has nothing to do with good men, bad men
politics, corruption, fascism, free enterprise.
All of these discussions about communism, socialism,
free enterprise, fascism, become irrelevant in a society of an abundance
where people have access to things. All those things fade out:
labor unions, you just don't need that anymore.
It just does not exist.
- (Host) [In a] truly free society we would not have things like protectionism
and nationalism and things like that. - (Jacque) OK.
If abundance existed all over the world,
all the water you want, all the food, growing all over the place,
no one would stake out territories.
You stake out territories because it promotes survival.
People living on a desert can only have a tribe of a certain size
because that desert region can't support more than 50 people.
You have wandering nomads that wander with the animal migration,
so if there's scarcity and new people come into that area,
they say "You're moving in on my territory!"
You know a lot of vegetarians actually believe
that vegetarianism produces more amiable patterns of behavior.
Actually, that's not true.
Cows in the field have all the grass they want
so they're not very aggressive. Any place you walk there's grass to chew on.
They're not aggressive because there's an abundance;
whereas herbivorous animals, carnivores,
don't have as much abundance.
They have to run after animals and hunt them down,
and sometimes you don't make it. You're not always in great physical shape,
so they have to be more aggressive.
They have to be more aggressive to survive.
It's the scarcity of food that generates that.
Hunger generates the hunt for food, for animals.
If you didn't had pains of hunger, it wouldn't be that [way].
Years ago, primitive societies
used soldiers to keep people in line, or police.
Some inventor came up to the old landowner and he said:
"I've got a cheaper way of doing that,
that wouldn't require as many soldiers."
The landowner said "What way is that?" He said "Well,
I can project fire from my mouth; I have several things I can do
and people would look at me in amazement and then listen to what I say."
He says "I come from The One-On-High
and that One-On-High can see you
through a mud wall ten feet thick, no matter what you do.
If you take anything that doesn't belong to you, he can see that.
After you kick the bucket you're gonna burn eternally."
That was a method for keeping people to behave
though the king can kill anybody he didn't like:
"Behead that son-of-a-bitch" or "get rid of that culture over there." They all did it;
but "Thou shall not kill" was in that community,
and a wife being obedient made it easier
for otherwise women would protest their state of being.
They had to pledge obedience to the old man, whatever he wanted,
so the old man got his way. If a man worked for somebody
he was not to remove anything that didn't belong to him.
Stealing was a crime,
so the man who conducted magic and did all the magic, controlled a lot of people.
He was the priest in the early days, the soothsayer.
Now the priest was bothered continuously by people.
[They'd] come up and [say] "My son doesn't listen to me."
"My daughter is disobedient" and he said: "Well..."
He was so bothered by people that he made a stone statue.
He said "Anytime you have any problem drop a half a buck off here
and talk to the stone statue! Tell him all the problems you've got."
Some of them did that, but they didn't like the conclusion,
so they destroyed the stone statue.
He made two: one with a smile and one with horns.
He says "The bad one, you yell at, spit on, all that
and the good one you thank for your state-of-being."
These were forms, dead forms made of clay or stone,
and people talked to them all day long. They didn't bother the priests at all.
The priest was off somewhere doing something else.
This is how all these icons came into being
and all the laws and all the contributions.
Jesus walked on water, men walk in space, on the Moon,
so that aspect you can use; but he was not a deity.
He was not another manifestation of God,
nor were any of the great teachers.
Great teachers were great compared to what was available at the time.
The nearest thing to what you would call 'honesty' is science,
the nearest thing, because the system itself checks things out constantly.
You come up with an idea. They put it to test,
and more so than any other system.
Yes, technology makes mistakes, buildings collapse, bridges fall;
but compared to any other system,
it's by far the most outstanding system,
and the only system that we know of that transports people around.
Electrical power gives us refrigerators to keep food in storage.
In other words, science and technology
has given us and freed more people from hard toil and labor
than any philosopher and do-gooder.
Unfortunately, when people see Mother Teresa going around helping people,
they can't grasp some agronomist working alone,
increasing the agricultural yield by five times,
who has fed people who could never of been fed
that would have starved to death. They can't grasp that!
They have to see. If you show normal people movies
of thousands of children with swollen bellies,
suffering, they would get a lump on their throat.
If you want to raise money: one child
crippled, with crutches, moving toward the camera
and when he gets to the camera have him look up and have a tear run down.
You can raise more money than showing 8 million people.
They are pinheads! They are conditioned to utter simplicity.
This is not condemning the human race. I'm condemning the value system,
the indoctrinations that are given by the institutions of higher learning.
They are not institutions of higher learning.
They are detrimental in developing human beings
who are what you would call conscience and aware
of their surroundings and other people.
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