- Sometimes there were some stressful scenes in this movie.
Did you feel that stress?
Did you feel that drama?
- I don't think that I did.
It was, like, a fun environment.
- When you're working with people you trust and you have
a script that everyone's genuinely excited about,
I think it leads to being able to have a bit
more fun on set.
- You guys would regularly breaking into song.
[Laughs]
- It was like a damn musical being there.
All the time, they had whole dance numbers.
I think you guys prepared it off set.
- There was a full musical number that got cut
from the final cut of the film, unfortunately.
- Oh yeah.
- For those who do not know, what's the relationship dynamic
between Kat's character, my character and your character?
- Ooh.
- Well, that's a great question, Matt.
Let me go ahead and break it down for you.
So, you and I are married in this film.
Things get a little wonky and that's where the lovely,
beautiful Kat comes in.
And she, sort of, throws a wrench into everything.
And I guess -
- Well, I don't know -
Wonky?
What do you mean by wonky?
- Questionable.
You know?
- Things are wonky.
- Is Kat the wrench or is something else the wrench?
Who's the real, where's the real wrench come from?
- Well isn't that the question. - I see what you're trying to do here.
- I think
it's sort of inside ourselves, is the wrench.
- OK so, Owen and Brooke, things are great, but there
starts, some issues start to arise.
First of all, in my character's defense, I feel
like it's a very pivotal point in her life, in her career.
She is having her first big gallery opening.
She's really, like, stepping out
on her own and trying to make this work.
She's under a lot of stress.
And then, all of a sudden, everyone
around her is talking about infidelity,
and her best friend's a divorce lawyer,
talking about how everyone cheats,
and you can't trust men these days.
And she's just seeing these signs everywhere,
and, obviously, with what Owen does, sneaking out
late at night.
And she's seeing all these texts
from Sarah and I'm like, "Who the heck is this
Sarah girl?"
These texts are a little wonky,
as I said.
- Well,
let's be serious here.
I mean, he's working.
- And it's one of those situations too,
where, as human beings,
we often tend to collect signs and sort of see things.
- Yeah.
- Somebody says, "Oh, you're going to see the
number 27 everywhere."
You'll see the number 27 everywhere.
Even if you wouldn't have noticed it before.
But, what I love about the dynamic
in all of these characters is the fact
that no one is a hundred percent to blame
because they're all culpable in one way or another.
Each one of them makes choices
along the way that create this dynamic
and furthered the dynamic,
and -
- Exactly.
- And at any point,
any one of them, Amy included, could have said,
"You know what, I'm going to step away
from this because I don't want to mess this up."
But, each of them makes choices that, you know,
lead to a film that, hopefully, people enjoy.
- So, it's fair to
say it's a complex situation, our relationship.
- I'm really curious to know from the two of you,
what drew you to the film and to these roles to begin with?
- It's kind of like a romantic whodunit, in a way,
and there are lots of twists and turns.
And I feel like at one moment, you think that you know
what's happening and then, like, you get new information
and you're like, "Whoa, I didn't see that coming."
And so, I was definitely on the edge
of my seat when I was reading the script
and I found it very interesting.
And it films in New York. Whenever I learn
that something is going to film in New York,
it just makes me that much more excited to,
to do it and to want to do it.
Yeah. Christmas time in New York, it's pretty magical.
So, there were a lot of really magical aspects about it
that got me excited.
What about you guys?
- I think, you know,
I,
you mentioned the script,
I think that when I, when I got the script
I sat down and read it and I was,
I was expecting not a lot because you never know, you know?
You always go into reading a script
and you're kind of like, OK, don't get, you know,
this is going to be another kind of,
something where I'm going to have to talk
to people to sort of interpret what the real intention is
with it and how they're going to stylize it.
And in this case, when I read it, I was like, "Oh, oh, OK."
And then, I'm getting thrown for a loop.
And then, I, you know,
my expectations of what's going to happen don't play out.
And I say, "Oh, this is quite good."
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So, I was really excited after reading it
and I think I immediately called you, Vic.
- Yeah.
- And we talked about that.
And then, it seemed like it was going to work.
And then, I found out that you, Kat, were on it
and I was like, "Well, this is just shaping up real nice."
- I think when I first read the script, again,
like both of you,
I didn't really know a hundred percent what to expect.
'Cause they, you know, they send you a little description
and you go, "OK, this could be just about anything."
I got the script, I think a year or so before we shot it,
it got sent to me.
And we were doing 'Shadowhunters' at that point, Matt,
and so, I'd been doing a lot of supernatural things
and a lot of things that weren't very grounded in reality.
And I love this story
because it was so rooted in just normalcy and humanity
and a situation that could happen to anybody walking
down the street, in a sense, you know? It's four people in
three very real, very messed up relationships.
There is no black and white.
And I loved seeing the situation play out over
and over again, where each time you get a different nugget
of information that you can piece together
what really happened,
and it sort of subverts all
of your expectations for each one of these characters.
- We've all worked together before in some capacity.
Matt and I, and Kat and Matt.
So, what I want to know is, what is the level
of trust that we have in real life like versus the level
of trust that our characters have in this film?
- When you're working with someone,
especially in these sort of situations in relationships,
you want to have someone you trust and someone you know
is going to have your back,
but also someone that you can just play with and
and try something different and know that
they will go with you
and take these different turns on your journey.
And if you get an idea,
you can throw something out there and they'll play tennis
with you, as it were, when it comes to the, you know,
the ping pong ball of, of scene work.
Something I think is interesting
is that, at least story-wise, I think our levels
of trust almost grow and shrink inversely. I think as
Owen and Brooke's trust, sort of, wanes,
Owen and Amy's trust grows almost.
- When you were first reading the script,
were you surprised that your character gave into temptation?
Like, is that where you saw things going? - No.
I mean, given the information available
and the circumstances, and the fact that Owen is, frankly,
in a stagnant place in his life.
He's struggling and he's trying now to, to make something more of things.
He has conflict with his wife.
Story-wise, I mean, he's kind of got to, but also, Owen?
I think he's a better guy than that, but I think that
you know, he got, he got bamboozled by you, Kat.
- By me?
- Yeah.
I mean, you're ultimately at fault here.
- Oh, I beg to differ.
- Explain why.
Well, I think Amy is
at fault partially, but I think everyone's at fault
in a certain -
- I agree.
- You know, Amy was hired
by someone. Everybody's a consenting adult
in the situation, making choices of their own accord.
I would say she's the catalyst,
but I think there are several catalysts
for this situation happening.
But, I would say I'm surprised,
in a sense, that Amy took that turn
because she is so pragmatic when it comes
to her career focus
and her, sort of,
detachment from this side job that she has.
- You know, actually, you're,
you're saying something here I haven't really thought about.
But yeah, you actually had a job and that job was
to not do what you did.
Like, literally the job you were hired for was to not do -
- You had one job!
- Yeah. Yeah.
- You accepted money.
- Yeah.
- You didn't do your job.
- But, I gave the money back.
- You gave the money back?
I mean, you know, that's a refund.
[Laughs]
- Like, as far as my character goes,
I think it's going to be a bit
of a debate after people see this film.
I think people are going to be like, "Well, did she cheat?
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I think that's going to be fun.
So, I'm going to let people, kind of, choose
for themselves what they think happened.
- I agree.
- So Vic,
I'm curious to know, audiences have obviously grown up
with you and now that you're stepping into a more adult
role, playing a married woman, all of this, how is that
for you?
How's that been?
- It's been exciting.
I think, you know, it makes sense for the age
that I am right now.
And I think my audience is ready to see me do and take
on more mature roles.
That was one of the things that I loved about
this part and about this movie, is that it was something
that was, it was sexy and it was, it was more mature.
And I think I was really ready to, kind of,
like, step into that world and into that light.
So, it was very, it was fun.
I liked it.
- OK so, there's a lot going on in this film.
There's a lot of relationships, a lot of themes, a lot
of different aspects flying around.
What do you two think,
thematically, audiences are going to
attach to and relate to most in the film?
- That real life is not so black and white.
It's not like your outfit, Vic.
[Laughs]
Things are, things are not so clear.
And the people who are at fault and who's to blame,
there's not such a clear answer all the time.
Everyone plays little parts and makes little mistakes
and errors.
And that's why real life is interesting
because we have all those, those layers
to every single problem that we encounter, especially
relationships are like that, because it's never
just one person, usually not one person.
The big thing we'd always talk about is like,
"Who's, you know -
"Today, who are we feeling like is really
the one who's worse?" And it's not clear.
- Yeah.
- Nothing is straight forward
in life and, particularly, in relationships,
and that can lead to a lot
of question marks as to how things play out.
This film sort of explores every aspect of that
or at least as many
as we can fit into these three distinct relationships.
- OK guys.
So, to wrap this up, I'm very curious to know
what was your favorite part about creating this film
and what will you take away from it as a person,
as an actor after?
- I honestly, I like filming back in New York.
I love that.
- Yeah.
- Especially right before everything that happened.
And it was nice to be in all those really New York places.
The movie has a very strong New York feel.
- Yeah.
- I liked that Owen is a New Yorker.
I don't know, that kind of resonates with me.
And I think that people are going to like that.
- Yeah, for me, it's, it's getting to work
with such great people on a story that has so many facets
and you can really dive in
and explore all of these relationships in
ways that are not straightforward,
and that are not, necessarily, what people would expect
on the surface, which is all you can ask
for as an actor, is multi-dimensional situations.
- Yeah.
- And walking away from the movie and feeling good.
It felt good to film that movie.
- Just all around,
I would say, it was a really creative
and positive experience, and a safe space to play
and have fun. And working
with such great people like Brian [DeCubellis]
and you guys, was awesome.
And yeah, I'm just, I'm so grateful
that we got to do this movie
and I can't wait for people to see it.
- Damn right.
- Yeah. [Laughs]