the biggest question i get when i'm when we're working is
how do you apply they understand what they mean and you can say those words
and they can define them and explain them and the question people always have
is how do i apply this and those those three the stories of
those three platoons and then when you kind of basically you
review uh extreme ownership and dichotomy you know
briefly but you kind of just go through the review and where they came from
is really what sets the stage for how these where these fit and how to look
for where for where they fit i mean even that story about
the platoon commander of whether or not you should have made the call i mean
there's there's the seeds of of balance in there
too is hey same situation previous platoon
actually that platoon commander did the exact same thing but for a totally
different reason oh my people are all different and the way
i treat this one guy and really to this one guy
doesn't work in every situation and when you talk about that too is when you
look at other people's plans because ego is always the biggest
issue with every client we work with it's always ego is at the top and
the question that asks how important is this plan to that other person
because if that other person has to do this plan
the worst thing you can do is fight them on the planet no matter
whatever the quality of the plan is and even having the humility of saying hey
in this situation it isn't even about what is the best plan
it's what's the best way to implement the plan because if i prove that i'm
right and my plan is better and this guy has
to admit to me and acquiesce to me okay your plan is better what is the
likelihood that guy's gonna be totally on board with supporting my
it's not gonna happen what is the likelihood that person's looking for you
to fall on your face what's the likelihood they help you fall
in love even by kind of like you sit on that
second platoon maybe not sabotage but by just doing nothing when you
actually what you need them is to do the exact opposite of that which
was totally be in the game so even as you read those reviews those
first three to set the stage and even the
review of eo and dichotomy i don't care how many times you've read those books
read it in this context because it changes in your mind
how they apply uh to the world that that you care about which is your world which
doesn't have to be the seal teams it's not what this is about it's just
that's just the backdrop it's actually where it fits in whatever world
that you're in not to mention the future by the way like you know how you if you
have a better plan they have a good plan you have a better you have a level 10.
this guy is a level nine and you and he's like no this plan is good this
plant's good and you're like no no mine's so much better than yours and
booms forced them to do it right yeah and not only during that plan
they might not do their best but in the future you're like the guy who's like oh
you just think your plan is better so even in the future he might not have
your back as much why would you even why are you even
gonna put forth that effort echo if when you brought me a plan that
was a level nine yeah good plan a good plan and i was
like no mine's a level 10. we're not using your
plan how much effort are you going to put in next time to come up with a good
plan yeah i mean that's we'll just say
potentially less i'll tell you that and i mean you want
to talk about this is real world application
i mean this is you and i work together you know you come up with plans
for things sometimes yeah yeah and and unless the plan is egregious i'm
sitting back over here going okay that's the way you want to set the stuff up
cool like okay sounds good you want to show
up at 9 59 for 10 o'clock for a 10 o'clock
you know scenario but even with that if it's you and me i go hey 10 o'clock
you know 9 59 all good if if it's you me and let's say we're
having a guest on and i'll be hey man guessed and i know
you know what that means that means like hey that means you're
not letting me down it means we're looking bad right we
don't look bad you know so all good yep
but i'm not i'm not i'm not saying hey there's a guest you better be here
by 9 30 all set up i just tell you what's up
and you know what to do it's true communication yes understanding
understanding the intent yeah
dave burke maybe he doesn't fully qualify as a as a full guest anymore
in your mind he's like a hybrid like a guest friend he was not
quite enough to get here at 9 30 but a solid 9 50.
yeah well let's face it i was here at 9 59. but
you do the point remains yes yes 100 yeah check
check i mean this is you know and same with like at echelon front we're doing
all kinds of things in echelon front all kinds of things i i actually talked
about this in the mustard in australia it's
really the most i've talked really i mean not a ton but
several times i used in his example that at you know the echelon front
muster there's a lot of moving parts there's a
lot of things happening there's there's vide audio visual stuff
happening there's kits being made to hand out to people there's pt
going on there's so much there's there's registration
happening there's check-in there's handout of
stuff there's organizing of table there's all this there's this
there's just huge logistical things that are happening
how much do i know of what's going on next to none
next to none and jamie who runs the muster
like she knows she knows what the intent is
and if she feels like there's a little oh oh where
i'm not i'm not 100 on this one i'm not sure she'll be like hey jocko should we
do this or this and i'll be like what do you think and she says well i think it'd
be smoothless like this cool makes sense but as far as me actually
directing anything it's very very seldom am i saying no we need to do this way
occasionally we will occasionally we will occasionally i will
occasionally i'll say yeah no that's not a good plan
and we're not going to do it that way and when and
as you see when i say that people go cool
yeah very seldom does someone want to get in uh debate with me about something
that i'm firm on i'm firm so selfish because you hardly ever
do it yeah i'm firm so seldom that when i am
people go there's something we're not seeing here