[MUSIC PLAYING]
SHAUN SMITH: I've got a debt here for a very good friend of
mine who trains at gym called Chaddy.
So we just want to chase him down today and see if we can
get him, because he's a bit of a rat.
Well, he's a fucking cockroach, isn't he?
See this is what does your fucking head in.
You spend half your day ringing around people.
CHADDY: Yeah, what exactly happened was this chap who
owed me the debt was originally a
partner with my daughter.
They were going to get married.
They bought a property.
They were getting a property together, et cetera.
We thought he was smashing.
But unbeknownst to us, he was not nice to our daughter.
We don't like people who profess to be something and
they're not.
They're something else.
We don't want people to be nice to us or to members of
our family, and then they're not nice behind our backs.
What that is, it's called bullying.
I'm not a nasty person.
I'm not 6'3" and bulletproof.
But when I found out what he'd done, I felt like
smashing him to pieces.
He slapped my daughter.
He hit her.
And if I could have got hold of him, I'd
have strangled him.
But I'm glad I didn't.
And I'm glad that there was somebody like Shaun who sat me
down and said to me, Phil, never do anything in anger.
You've got to do everything legal and above board.
SHAUN SMITH: Well, we've just found him on a site on the
internet with a picture of him.
So we're going to take a picture of that just
so we've got him.
Named and shamed.
He'll be getting a call tomorrow.
MALE SPEAKER 1: Later.
NAT TAYLOR: Yeah.
First one in a couple of months
I've not worn a balaclava.
SHAUN SMITH: This guy we're going to see now has no idea.
He's owed this debt from last year.
But Nat and Tony know him.
It's come out.
They know him fairly well.
So I'm initially going to go in and speak to him and tell
him how it is, what he's going to pay, why I'm here.
Don't fuck with me.
You don't need to.
You know, I don't want this lad to lose his job, even
though he's a fucking rat as far as I'm concerned.
But you know, I'm not a cunt.
I'm going to pull him, tell him how it is and that it's
got to be paid.
You can just tell them I'm a friend.
It's a good day for me.
It's a bad day for you.
You know Nat and Tony, don't you?
I'm a debt collector.
I collect debts.
Chaddy's a good friend of mine.
MALE SPEAKER 1: OK.
SHAUN SMITH: You've said you'll honor that.
You've said you'll pay it.
MALE SPEAKER 1: Right.
SHAUN SMITH: And you haven't.
So basically, come on, you're taking a piss.
And Chaddy's a fucking top fella.
As long as we come to an agreement today.
MALE SPEAKER 1: Right.
SHAUN SMITH: That it gets paid.
It gets paid.
MALE SPEAKER 1: OK.
SHAUN SMITH: If it's not, I fuck off.
And them two speak to you.
MALE SPEAKER 1: Right, OK.
SHAUN SMITH: If you want to know who I am, go and
fucking Google me.
MALE SPEAKER 1: No, no it's OK.
NAT TAYLOR: I don't know a ginger lad
could go even whiter.
SHAUN SMITH: Mate, he shook my hand,
fucking sweating buckets.
So it's a good day.
One, he'll pay.
Two, he's going to pay us a drink for coming down.
So it's happy.
Chaddy just walks round with a grin on his face.
To me, it's another job.
I'm dead happy for him.
But there's loads of people like that everywhere.
And people need to just stand up to people like these.
Because there's people like me everywhere.
It's not just me.
There will always be a debt collector.
Someone will always help someone.
People go to courts.
Courts are like debt collectors, aren't they?
Get divorced.
I want that kitchen suite.
I want the car.
I want this.
Before people do that, they come to us.
We're cheaper and we'll probably get
the job done quicker.
Basically, what's happened today, an employee who I have,
and who I've only had for a couple of months, I gave him a
job on a trial.
He's done well.
He's not a bad kid.
He is a good kid actually.
I've heard rumors he's been selling juice in the gym,
which we just don't abide by.
There's lads in here that do use steroids, but they use it
in their house.
And what they do behind closed doors is none of my business.
I'm not into that crap.
It's nothing to do with me.
Now, there's another lad in here with a
tattoo on his head.
Not Tony upstairs, it's a different lad.
I've looked after this kid for four to five months.
He can either have a dig, or they can admit
what they've done.
Pay me a bit of profit back, I'll still
take them in the gym.
But if they deny it, the two of them are
going to get a crack.
And that's it.
A couple things I want to bring up.
Right, I'm not fucking about.
I'm fucking dead, dead serious here, right.
Really fucking dead serious.
You know me, I don't give shit.
I don't take shit.
Here's how serious I'm going to be.
How can you sell fucking gear in my fucking
gym you cheeky twat?
STU: I'm not, Shaun.
SHAUN SMITH: Don't fucking lie to me.
You have been giving him gear.
I'm shocked at you for selling fucking gear.
DAVEY FALLON: I've not sold anything since you said--
SHAUN SMITH: Since what?
Since yesterday?
DAVEY FALLON: Since she said--
SHAUN SMITH: Oh, since she said.
You've been selling it from the fucking house.
Now, you've been selling it from here.
I said I'll back you up, Stu.
STU: Yeah, you did Shaun.
SHAUN SMITH: I said I'd back you up in that gym.
Fucking forget about the camera.
This is business mate.
This is fucking business.
It's only that I know Chaddy.
And he's related to Chaddy.
I could fucking flatten you mate and put you on floor.
But I know you're going to need me to work with you with
that prick.
Normally, they get it off you, don't they?
So from my point of view, he's buying off you.
You're giving it to him.
You sell it in my gym.
What do I do?
Might as well bend over and go, here you are.
Have a go with that.
It's not business, is it?
STU: No, I understand that, Shaun.
SHAUN SMITH: Hey, it's not busines.
You've made money.
I've earned fuck all.
So here's what we're going to do.
I'm going to tax you a grand.
You can give me a grand to keep your
job, stay in the gym.
You don't want to give me a grand by the end of the day,
I'll smash your head in.
And I'll smash your head in.
What do you want to d?
Simple as that.
Ay, ay, hold your head up.
We're sorted.
I'll get a cup of tea with you.
That just had to be done.
It's just a little bitch slap.
It is only a bitch slap.
But they've money in my business.
TONY: They made money in his gym.
SHAUN SMITH: So I want it.
I've got bills here.
I owe rent.
I owe electricity.
I owe everything else.
I'm not a fucking millionaire.
Business is business.
But it's worked.
And that's the way we do work.
He's my right hand man.
Everything goes through him.
And he's told me because he's my right hand man.
He's not a fucking snitch.
If I see something going on in the gym, I tell him.
But I don't know about this.
He's my best mate.
It's called loyalty.
TONY: He's like my dad.
SHAUN SMITH: You can't buy it.
We're fucking loyal as fuck.
That's the way it goes.
DAVEY FALLON: Nothing wrong has happened.
Like, nothing was done wrong.
It was just a lack of communication, really.
Shaun is, he'll help you out.
He'll go to the end of earth for you.
But the minute that you think that you cross him, bad move.
I don't really want to, because I know who he is.
I'd rather now work with him than against him.
I have to now pay him about 500 pound.
It's only fair really.
It is his gym.
You can't argue with that, really.
Everything goes through Shaun, basically.
NARRATOR: The lads know they got off lightly with the
telling off, because a slap is nothing compared to the
extremist tendencies Shaun was capable of in the past.
SHAUN SMITH: What's the worst torture I've inflicted?
I can't fucking tell you that.
I'll get locked up.
I've been locked up.
I'd be an idiot to tell you what I've done.
But what I've done to people, in my eyes, they deserved it
for the amount they've fucking done to me.
Of course it affects you.
I don't sleep.
I'm on 50 millileters of Seretin, 80 milligram of
Propranolol, 7.5 milligram of Zoplicone.
I have Barretts esophagus, which is a pre-cancerous
disease in my throat.
I have a tumor on my liver.
I'm waiting to have an op on my stomach to remove polyps.
I'm a vegetarian.
Don't eat meat.
Self harming, that's because of all the problems I've had,
depression, anxiety, panic attack.
I would just love to be a normal person.
I think I am normal.
I think my life is normal.
But sometimes, I like to just come in the gym, open the gym,
just talk to one or two lads in the gym, just a normal
conversation.
And then you'll get that one who will go, oh aren't you
Shaun, blah blah, from Liverpool.
And you think, ugh.
NARRATOR: Shaun Smith was an extremist who specialized in
spreading terror for no rational gain.
But the hidden costs of this guerrilla war
haunts him to this day.
SHAUN SMITH: I've had these for 20 odd years.
To a lot of people, they don't mean nothing.
But to me, they do mean a lot.
I'm the greatest, King Kong.
No you're not.
Fucking I am.
There's me there in a suit.
I'm not the greatest.
But I'm superstitious like that.
You know what I mean?
To me, it it's a ritual I have every day, just little things.
Right hand for paying out, left hand for receiving.
So I want that left hand itching all the time to
receive money.
I have a lot of bills.
INTERVIEWER: Are you religious?
SHAUN SMITH: No.
There are people laughing here.
No.
I don't believe in God and all that, no.
Although, I do the sign of the cross.
And that's just respect for people who have passed away.
And probably a few people I've put away myself.
I know it's nothing to laugh about.
But that's just the life people are born into.
I've just lost a friend of mine, John Walsh.
British champion kickboxer, world champion kickboxer.
And to go from such a powerful man, we watched him fade away
and die last week.
And I was tearful.
I had to walk out.
I get a bit choked up now.
Just let that moment pass.
But you know, it happens to the best of people.
I have been scared of dying in the past.
But I think because I've had four or five
attempts on my life.
I got kidnapped and locked in a container.
And they were shooting at the container and
ramming a car into it.
I honestly thought I was going to die that time.
I pissed myself.
I thought, I'm going to fucking die here.
And then you pass that fear, because they're firing the gun
at the steel container.
They're ramming the car.
And they're pouring petrol and they're saying they're going
to light it.
You have this feeling where you think, no, if I'm going to
die, I'll go out fucking fighting
or I'll go out roaring.
I'm not going out and cowering in the corner.
Do you know what the lads did with him?
He's actually on YouTube.
MALE SPEAKER 2: Want to show them?
SHAUN SMITH: They put a gas canister on his wheelchair.
MALE SPEAKER 2: I'll show them.
SHAUN SMITH: And let the gas go, fired his wheelchair along
like a rocket, didn't they?
MALE SPEAKER 2: But one ran out of gas because the guy
wouldn't sell us new fire extinguishers.
He only sold the secondhand ones.
And he made us scratch his company logo
off in case I died.
I just thought, fuck it.
If I die, I die.
NAT TAYLOR: Since you last interviewed me and you see me
with the cut that was on my stomach, I got out.
Just carried on with the drugs.
I was sat in a bath, had enough, slashed my face.
But I hit the artery on my forehead, on the
side of my head here.
And the blood was just squirting out.
Good job my dad was in the house.
I was sat in the bath.
The bath was just covered in blood.
Last night was a good thing for me,
because I got diagnosed.
They know what the problem is with my mental health now and
everything.
It's emotional unstable personality disorder triggered
by the child abuse.
I feel a lot more positive and more confident that I'm going
to nail it this time, that I'm going to beat my demons.
Alright, I've had demons for 20 years.
But, I've gone to battle with them.
And I've lost.
Now, I've declared war on them.
And I might have lost some battles, but I
ain't losing the war.
Fuck that.
I ain't carrying these war scars for nothing.
Luke, the boss now, he's my older brother.
He didn't speak to me for a couple of months.
And he gave me one last chance.
It's a good way of keeping me off all the gear and shit.
I'm surrounding myself with positive people, with a
positive sport, rather than negative dickheads and
dickhead drugs.
SHAUN SMITH: Here we go.
"Don't refuse a proposition you will be made next week."
I'll get a nice big debt in here tomorrow.
NAT TAYLOR: "You will be taking on fresh vitality
during the next few weeks."
SHAUN SMITH: That's good, that mate.
Getting ready for your fight.
A bit of vitality, getting ready, getting refreshed.
Hungry.
Win the belt.
We'll get a fresh bit of gear then.
NAT TAYLOR: Snorting it off the belt.
STU: "Your lucky number two will keep your future fine."
Fuck off, bollocks.
SHAUN SMITH: Right, what I'm going to show you here is,
remember from last time in the office, when we had the little
incident over the steroids with the two lads.
Tony, the lad who was like, oh I'd do anything for Shaun.
If you remember, jumped up in the office and started to hit
one of the lads with a pathetic punch, the little
cockroach was already selling steroids in and around the
gym, unaware to me.
And then lo and behold, we come in on a Friday morning,
he's not here.
The lads have booted the door down.
A couple of lads have gone up.
They're kicking the door in.
He's not there.
So we check our cameras.
And here he is now, leaving.
Look, here's the little cockroach.
Now, look at him.
Fucking boils my blood, look at that.
He's left his bird, left all his kids, and as
long as he's alright.
He took no one else's stuff, only his own.
Look at him, with his head in his hands, he's like ugh.
Have you seen him on it?
That is tooting barbs.
We know his contact who he buys them off.
So we're waiting for him to ring up and buy some more.
And then he's going to have a bit of an accident, because
it's not going.
I really helped that kid.
I really did help him.
And he's just shit on me big time.
Not having it.
This is where Tony lived when he ran the gym for me.
This room hasn't been cleaned out yet.
You know, look at that.
It's fucking disgusting.
He's a personal trainer.
He trains people and he's writing people diets.
How the fucking hell can you live like this?
There were like 87 bags of beak scattered allover the
couch, all over here.
All this stuff is his.
What we've binned is just fucking junk.
Was it all just a big fucking front?
But that's what drugs do to you.
This is Tony's paraphernalia that we found upstairs.
Obviously, he's taken stegs.
Well, I think it's stegs.
He's a juice head anyway.
It could be heroin for all I know.
I haven't had a good look through it, to be honest.
That's a coke bag, been used.
That looks like a beak bag.
And what the--
Look, I don't even know what they are.
But they're going in the bin.
That's going in the fucking bin.
That's tooting barb shit.
He just got up and left, you know what I mean?
He's left crappy watches.
Bin.
Fucking ring going in the bin.
I hope he sees this.
Bin.
And all that fucking juice that he's paid for, that can
go in the fucking bin as well.
But you know what?
I wouldn't give him back a fucking bottle of fresh air.
It can go in the fucking bin, where it is.
That's where he'll be going.
Cockroach.
I'll be back in a minute.
Oh god.
No, I'm not just a bit stressed out, mate.
I'm proper wound up to death.
Because my mate up there has been had off on 300 grand.
Tony's had me off for 3,500 pounds,
which is a lot of money.
Some people might think, well, he's got a drug problem.
Give him a hand.
Well, I gave him a hand.
That's why he was there with me.
Everything was there for him.
And to get shit on--
And it's just--
Everything's negative, you know.
It just affects me in every little way.
I think, you fucking little maggot.
And you think, is ti fucking worth it?
Is it all worth it?
And sometimes I think, I look myself in the mirror and go,
what the fuck are you doing?
Why are you taking on other people's headaches?
You do feel responsible.
And you shouldn't do, because it's not my problem.
I never created this problem.
I'm just there to tray and sort it out for you.
And I'll do it the best I can.
But I feel--
I don't know whether I should say this.
There's no one here to sort my problems out.
I have no one.
It's so fucking hard, mate.
Because people look up to you and expect you to be there.
Oh, a shoulder cry on.
Well, hang on.
I get fucking fed up as well, you know.
My little things is like, I would love to have my daughter
on camera and seeing a different side of me.
But I don't trust people out there.
I don't want them seeing my daughter.
I don't want my wife on it either.
Everyone loves their kids and everyone's got the best kid.
But she's just an adorable kid.
We have five daughters.
I'd love to show you me being, yeah, I let them draw on my
face and put bows in your hair.
They're kids.
I look stupid.
Hey, I'm just a dad.
NARRATOR: Since filming this, Shaun hit the jackpot, landing
the biggest deal of his career, a 1 million pound debt
in Portugal.
Payoff was a much needed all expenses paid
holiday in the sun.
After all, going straight hadn't turned out to be the
quiet life he'd once dreamt of.
Nat is still working with his brother.
He's clean and no longer self harming.
He's also busy training for his pro boxing comeback, his
last shot at the title.
Tony is still on the run.
His family fears if he comes back, he may go on the missing
list forever.