Judy: Former president Donald
Trump will be returning to the
nation's capital this week for
the first time since he left
office.
This comes just days after the
January 6 committee wrapped up a
summer full of hearings putting
Mr. Trump at the center of a
conspiracy to subvert the
results of the 2020 election.
To talk about all of the
politics, I am joined by our
politics Monday duo, Amy Walter
and Cameron Keith.
How low to both of you.
Let's talk about the January 6
committee.
They wrapped up their eighth
hearing last week at the end of
the summer run.
We will hear more in September.
How good a job do you think they
have done laying this out?
And in the last 24 hours, they
have put out another video
showing the day after Henry six
how the former president was
still reluctant -- showing the
day after January 6 how the
former president was still
reluctant to -- the election.
Reporter: He said in the
statement that he had
immediately sent the national
Guard and other law enforcement
in when the started which was
also untrue.
It is defining how effective it
has been in different ways.
Was it effective at changing
people's minds?
How people felt before they
hearing and today?
It does not look like many minds
have been changed.
This is from the NPR newshour
pole, - poll, this question was
asked -- 49% said yes then and
more recently, 50 percent.
How responsible is Donald Trump
for what happened at the
capital?
45% in July -- 43% in January
said it was a big deal and only
45% now.
Not a lot of movement now.
When you talk to Republicans,
activists or rank and file
voters, what you start to here
is a weariness ending weariness
and maybe trump fatigue coming
in.
They still like him and they do
not support the January 6
commission but what they are
starting to pick up is -- boy,
voting for Donald Trump again
comes with a lot of baggage.
There are other candidates that
want to run for president that
have all of this trumpism
without baggage.
Reporter: It could be having
some impact.
I think it is going to be hard
to tell because there have been
other times over the last 5-6
years when there has been trump
fatigue among Republicans.
There has been a Republican
establishment effort to take out
trump.
They have not been able to mount
enough of a force to get behind
one person that could be an
opponent to him and be able to
take him off the political
scene.
There are a lot of Republicans
who say -- back in the day, I
wish he would have -- I wish he
would not have tweeted so much
but I will still vote for him.
Bill Barr said the claims of
election fraud were B.S., he
did not use that term, but if he
was the nominee, he said he
would vote for him again.
Liz Cheney believes Donald Trump
is a threat to democracy and
what she argued is that his
behavior on January 6 itself and
the lead up to it means he
should not be allowed to be
elected again.
Have they convinced rank and
file Republicans?
It is unclear.
Judy: And to the point that
people are skeptical that he
will be held accountable I noted
in the poll that half of the
Americans believe he has
committed a crime but more than
60% believe he will not be
prosecuted.
Reporter: There is a reason
people believe that -- he has
been imputed -- impeached twice
and not convicted.
If the public is following the
cues of the past, there is no
reason for them to believe
something different will happen.
The chief of staff has been
called before a grand jury in
Washington, D.C. And there are
indications there are and the --
there are investigations getting
more serious even outside of the
congressional investigation.
Judy: Meanwhile, as we were
saying earlier, the former
president coming to Washington
for the first time since he left
.
He will speak at a conservative
conference.
His own former vice president,
Mike pence, was due to speak
there today causing all of us to
look at how are these
Republicans lining up as we
think about 2024.
Here is a piece of the poll.
Looking at favorability among
these party leaders -- just
Republican voters, 77% have
Donald Trump and 66% have Ronald
Desantis and -- have Mike pence
and Liz Cheney.
Reporter: The remarkable thing
about the Desantis number is
that he is the governor of
Florida.
That is a pretty large number
for somebody who just recently
came onto the national scene.
He comes up in conversation with
rank and file Republicans as
someone that they like.
He has broken through.
The thing about pence, folks
around him believe there is a
lane for him.
There are enough Republicans out
there who want to see someone
that supported the policies of
Donald Trump without the baggage
or they want to see someone that
has real evangelical,
conservative values.
It comes from that wing of the
party.
We don't see much evidence that
Republican voters are hungry for
a Mike pence candidacy.
The fact that he has a 59%
suggest they do not necessarily
just like him -- dislike him but
they are not tripping over
themselves excitedly to support
him.
Reporter: I'm not saying crowd
size matters but they held rival
events in Arizona over the
weekend and trump had a rally
with several thousand people
while Mike pence held an event
that was not meant to be a rally
but rather a campaign event for
a gubernatorial candidate at an
employer in Arizona with a
couple hundred people.
A very different tone.
That is reflective of who they
are but also the fact that trump
gets people excited.
He gets his voters excited
still.
Judy: Even with the January 6
going on but the committee,
drip, drip of information but we
have over two years for voters
to sort out what they think
about him.
Reporter: And we have
potentially legal action in
Georgia and the department of
justice as well.
Judy: That is right.
Reporter: The Atlanta -- it
seems to be moving along.
We don't know where it is headed
but we know a lot of the names
that have been brought before
the grand jury.
We could be looking at something
before we hit 2024 from a legal
perspective which is also
interesting -- Arizona, the
pence and trump camps are
fighting proxy wars.
Mike pence is for Kemp.
Judy: We are watching these all
over.
The subject for another politic
Thank you oath.
-- Thank you both.