♪ Bob and Brad ♪
♪ The two most famous ♪
♪ Physical therapists ♪
♪ On the internet ♪
- Hi folks, I'm Bob Schrupp, Physical Therapist.
- Brad Heineck, Physical Therapist.
Together, we are the most famous physical therapists
on the internet.
- In our opinion of course, Bob.
- Do they really think we're the most famous?
- Yeah, Bob.
They are aware that we are the most famous,
in our opinion.
- Okay, in our opinion.
Today, we're gonna talk about how to apply
kinesiology taping for knee pain.
Now, this is good for patellar tendonitis,
patellofemoral pain, and really just generalized pain, too.
- Sure.
- So I got it from an expert,
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- And the podcasts are out and running,
and we've got, actually,
we've got this gentleman on a podcast.
- Speaking of which, I had John Gibbons on the podcast,
very prolific author.
- Oh, nice word, Bob.
- Yeah, thanks.
- You must have been up last night with a thesaurus.
- That's right.
So one of his books is on Kinesio Tape.
And when I had him on the podcast,
I asked him, what are the three syndromes
you use the tape for
that it worked the best?
And one was the knee, and one was the foot,
and one was the elbow, I believe it was--
- Memory issues, huh, Bob? (Bob laughs)
But you know, this gentleman,
he's been taping for what, over 20 years?
And he works with high-level athletes.
- One of the founders, kind of, of it.
You know, I mean,
kind of was really quick into it.
- Yeah.
I read his book and I was very intrigued by it.
And it's a nice book, if you want to tape yourself
and you want to get some,
you know-- - Right, right.
And he admits how much is placebo,
how much is real,
but he says he really has good luck with it.
And he says, it's not going to cure you.
I mean, what it does is it knocks your pain down,
so then you can go after the real problems,
like, let's say it's weak,
you can then strengthen it.
- Sure. Let's say
you're having trouble,
again, he always talks about,
you want to look above and below.
So is there something going on with your ankle
that's causing your knee pain?
Is there something at your hip
that's causing your knee pain?
It's the weakest link.
- He must be a physical therapist.
So Brad, we're going to do it on you.
- Oh, good.
- So why don't you lie down, and lie down flat.
- Lie, L-I-E? - Lie flat, yes.
You know, I cut two longer strips here,
and I cut a shorter strip,
which they call an I-strip.
- I, the letter I, or?
- I'm sure it's the letter I, right?
- Yeah, okay. I know what you mean, it's in the book.
I distinctly remember that part.
- Okay. And once you lie down--
- Put the scissors down, good.
- (laughs) You don't trust me, huh?
- So we're going to do the right knee.
- Right knee. - Okay.
And you want it bent at a right angle.
- So is this pretty,
well, we'll see how this goes.
Is this something that you could do to yourself
or you need help?
- Yes, absolutely to yourself,
and you probably, you know,
you're going to get a little hair here Brad,
and we don't want to clean the surface.
- You may want to shave. - Right.
- Because it holds with the hair on it,
but probably not as good.
- Right, plus to take it off.
- Take it off.
But some people, if they're, what is it?
The masochistic or sadistic? I don't remember.
- It's masochistic. - Okay.
- Okay, so we're going to put the first piece,
about four inches long,
right across the patellar tendon here, Brad.
So what you do is you split it in half like this.
By the way, I used RockTape.
Rock, it's a brand.
It's the one he recommended.
You can use other types of, without a doubt.
But the only thing I,
concerned about with all this is,
you want to make sure the quality is a decent quality.
- Yeah. - There's some cheap ones.
I wouldn't go that route. I would go a little bit more.
So this one,
no, this has stretch to it,
and he wants 100% stretch on this one.
So you're stretching as far as you can,
you don't stretch the ends.
- Right. - The ends have no stretch
to them.
- And that allows it to adhere better to the skin
so it doesn't peel up. - Right, right.
So I'm gonna go right across the tendon,
I got 100% stretch.
And then I pull the end off here
and I just fix that
and I fix that.
Then I take the back of this and I warm it up
and make it even more affixed.
- So you rub on it. - Yep, you rub on it.
- Does he give a time on there or no?
- No, no, no.
He just does a few...
- I've read other things where they say
up to 30 seconds,
you rub on it to get it to,
so, I don't know.
- Okay.
Now this one,
I'm going to tear a little piece off at the end,
because I want to, again,
that's the area where there'll be no stretch, you know,
on the ends. - Yep, I know what you mean.
- Were you saying something else, Brad?
- Well, yeah, if you just pull this
and rip it like that,
it comes off pretty easy.
If you to try to peel it, you know,
it'll drive you nuts and you don't have to do that.
- What did I do wrong?
- You just got to pull, like,
if you want to get the end off,
just pull it,
rip it and get it all the way across
and then just peel it off like that.
- So the first part is gonna,
should I take that one first?
- Sure.
- The first part, you're going to actually go up
to the top of the knee into the quad.
So I'm fixing that. No stretch.
And then I'm going to take half of it off.
And with this one you're actually going to shoot for,
now I'm only going from here,
it's only going from here to here.
So I'm going to go 100% stretch.
- So you pull it 'til it stops stretching?
- Yep. - Okay.
- But then I'm going to go 50% of that.
And 50% of that.
So I'm only going 25%. - 25, okay.
- (laughs) Yeah.
So I'm going to fix it right here.
And then I'm going to actually, I'm going to do this, Brad.
I did do that already.
- You did do that. - Thanks.
I'm going to hold it here.
Now I'm going to go to the end.
- There's a little learning curve
with working with the tape. - Yes there is.
- So now I'm gonna do 100% stretch
and then down to 50.
He wants the lower one at more.
So I'm going to cross the lower part here.
I'm gonna take it off and I'm going to affix this one again,
no stretch on the end.
- Boy, that's quite a,
that's really covering a lot of areas.
- Now, I've seen him do it different ways.
He, you know,
we're going to do one strip here too,
but I've seen him also do,
then start below and go above
after he's done this one.
So he has actually four pieces of tape.
He's done it this way without the four pieces,
so I would try that first, you know, as opposed to--
- And I think, in the book,
he gives you some information about--
- Yeah, in the book, yeah,
did I mentioned the title?
"A Practical Guide to Kinesiology Taping."
- Yeah.
I'll show them.
I dropped my pillow,
now I'm not going to be as comfortable.
There's the book.
Yeah. Look at him, he looks like a young man yet.
He looks like he's only about 40, 50 years old.
- No, he's had a long,
he was like you, Brad.
He started off in a different field.
And so I'm going to pull-- - Yup.
- 100%, 50%, 25%.
- Just a little bit of snug there.
- Bring this off.
And when I grab right here, 100% down to 50%,
I made this longer than I need it to be.
- That's all right.
You know, this is one of those things, too.
It looks good,
when you're out with your buddies,
they look at this tape and they're envious.
- There you go, Brad.
You're not going to have any knee pain now.
So again, generalized knee pain, patellofemoral pain,
patellar tendonitis.
- So yeah, this is not,
oh, you got, so we got there,
that's right, I forgot about that.
- Yeah, and when you straighten,
you start seeing it wrinkling up,
which is the idea.
It's supposed to lift--
- Yeah, it looks like an old man knee all wrinkled up there,
but that's good.
- That's what he's saying, right.
Right, that's that's helping the lymphatic flow.
- Then that makes a lot of sense
because the lymph flows just below the surface of the skin.
So I mean, that part, to me, makes a lot of sense.
Look at it.
- Now again,
this is going to probably bite a little bit on Brad
when you take them off because they're hairy--
- Oh, Bob, I'm tough.
I can take it. - Yeah, yeah, okay.
- I'm not going to do it for the cameras (laughs).
- I was gonna say,
we don't want to have you cry in front of everybody, so.
- I'm going to do an event this weekend,
maybe I should leave it on.
- Yeah, Brad, why don't you talk,
you've been doing it on your hamstring,
how long have you been able to keep it on?
- Well, this is with the RockTape.
I've used the other tape before.
So I did this Monday,
my hams were just,
I've had, in the spring, earlier problems
and it just tweaked recently
and I got to triathlon to do this weekend.
So I'm going to just tape it for a maintenance,
or kind of a PM thing.
I put it on Monday.
Of course,
I take a shower every day and I swam Tuesday in the pool,
chlorine pool, Tuesday and this morning,
and it's still holding up.
So this is the fourth day.
- And that's the whole idea
about getting some quality tapes.
- Yeah, that it stays.
- I mean, normal athletic tape,
you'd be lucky if you get out the door with it on sometimes.
- Well, it doesn't stretch, and yeah.
- It doesn't stretch. - It doesn't do it.
Yeah, if you get, you know,
I think it's like a lot of things,
you get what you pay for,
but you know,
this clearly comes in a really good-quality container.
- Yeah, it does.
Oh, that's not it.
- Wrong one. We lost it.
- Yep. - Anyways.
So yeah, but the other stuff I've used held up long too.
And I don't remember what brand it is.
So you can,
if you don't get RockTape and you get something else,
see what happens.
- Generally, I think if you spend a little more,
it's gonna work a little more.
I wish I would have started using this
with patellofemoral syndrome
and where you pull the kneecap over
because that tape would always--
- Pop loose. - Pop loose, always.
And this would have worked really well for that.
- Yeah.
You know, I think when you have a notable guy like this guy,
he wouldn't recommend it if he didn't use it himself.
- No, willy-nilly,
and I mean,
he's worked with Olympic athletes
and he's the guy.
He's a very good clinician.
Very good.
So, all right.
- You could just tell when he jogged Teresa's...
- Yep. - He's a good guy.
- Yep, he's a good guy and he wants people to get better.
- Right.
So good, thanks, Bob. - And so do we!
- That's right, we do too.
- Remember, Brad and I can fix just about anything--
- Except for-- - A broken heart.
- Yes, and we're going to continue,
and maybe a little Kinesio Tape,
a criss-cross here, would kind of do something
for that broken heart. - Well, I'll tell you,
I think if you kept your mouth shut
you probably wouldn't get a broken heart.
(they laugh)
- Only for the guys.
- Yeah, only for the guys.
Take care, be careful.