WELCOME BACK.
I'M HERE WITH MICHAEL AVENATTI AND ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI.
NOW, GUYS, WHAT IS BOTH OF YOUR OPINIONS OF TRUMP LAWYER RUDY
GUILIANI?
DO YOU THINK HE'S HELPING HIS CLIENT OR--
( LAUGHTER ) BECAUSE HE'S OUT THERE KIND OF--
ONE SECOND.
I WILL, JUST A SECOND.
HE'S SHOOTING OFF AT THE MOUTH SOMETIMES WITHOUT CHECKING IN
BACK AT PLEDGE CENTRAL AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
AND DOESN'T ALWAYS MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
AND THINGS HAVE TO BE WALKED BACK, EVEN BY THE PRESIDENT.
WOULD YOU BE PLEASE PLEASED WITH GUILIANI AS A CLIENT IF YOU WERE
THE PRESIDENT?
>> SO I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THERE'S SOME PREMEDITATION GOING
ON.
I THINK THAT -- >> Stephen: PREMEDITATION OF
WHAT?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
>> THERE'S A COMMUNICATION STRATEGY THAT'S PREMEDITATED.
AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S COMING ACROSS SOMEWHAT SLOPPILY, I
THINK IT IS PART OF THE DESIGN.
>> Stephen: WHAT'S THE STRATEGY?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
THE STRATEGY IS WHAT THROW A LOT OF CHAFF IN THE AIR?
>> NO, I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR A PAYMENT WAS MADE.
AND I THINK GOING ON SEAN'S SHOW, SEAN HANNITY, AND
RELEASING THAT INFORMATION-- THEY WANTED TO DO THAT BEFORE
MICHAEL GOT A HOLD OF IT -- >> Stephen: AFTER LONG DENIALS
THAT NO PAYMENT HAD EVER BEEN MADE.
>> OKAY.
>> Stephen: AFTER LONG DENIALS THAT NO PAYMENT WAS MADE, ADMIT
M.I.T.ING TO A LIE.
>> I DON'T SPEAK FOR THE PRESIDENT.
>> Stephen: BUT YOU THAN HE LIED.
>> BUT HOLD ON A SECOND.
>> Stephen: YES OR NO, COUNSELOR, YES OR NO?
>> HE SAYS HE DEPARTMENT.
HE SAYS HE HAS SO MANY THINGS GOG --
>> Stephen: HE TWEETED, LIVE TWEETED AND SAID YEAH, YEAH.
>> THEN ACCORDING TO HIM ONE OF HIS ACCOUNTANTS CAME FORWARD AND
SAID, HEY, YOU DID THIS, AND THIS IS HOW WE DID IT, AND THEY
WENT ON THE SEAN HANNITY SHOW TO BRING IT UP.
RUDY HAS DONE A GOOD JOB IN THE FOLLOWING WAY.
NUMBER ONE, HE'S OUT THERE DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT-- YOU
MAY NOT LIKE THE WAY HE'S DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT, HE MAY
NOT LIKE IT, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIKE IT.
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, HE DID WIN, AND GOT 63.5 MILLION --
>> Stephen: NOBODY SAID HE DIDN'T WIN.
THAT'S A STRAWMAN.
>> THERE'S A BASE OUT THERE THAT THEY'RE COMMUNICATING TO, AND
THERE'S A LOT OF FIGHT IN RUDY AND I I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS
A 25- 30-YEAR RELATIONSHIP WITH RUDY, AND I THINK THE PRESIDENT
RESPECTS AND LIKES THE FIGHT THAT RUDE SEBRINGING TO THE
TABLE.
>> Stephen: WHAT DO EITHER OF YOU MAKE OF THE IDEA THAT THE
FACT IT WAS REVEALED THAT DONALD TRUMP DID DICTATE THE MEMO
OBFUSCATING DONALD TRUMP JR.'S ACCEPTANCE OF AN INVITATION TO
COLLUDE WITH THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT TO GET INFORMATION ON
HILLARY CLINTON?
THAT WAS... REVEALED BY HIS LAWYERS TO THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT, TO MUELLER'S TEAM.
SAID, "YEAH, HE DID DICTATE THAT."
THAT'S ANOTHER LIE.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE LIES?
I'M GOING TO GO TO HIM FIRST.
I'M GOING TO GO WITH HIM FIRST.
YOU GOT THE LAST ANSWER.
>> SORRY, GO AHEAD.
MORE WINE.
>> Stephen: HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THAT REVELATION?
>> TWO THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, RUDY GUILIANI IS AN ABSOLUTE WALKING DISASTER,
PERIOD.
( APPLAUSE ) PERIOD.
ALL RIGHT.
I MEAN, DAZED AND CONFUSED RUDY HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S DOING DAY
IN OR DAY OUT.
AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THIS IS
PREMEDITATED.
AND IF IT IS PREMEDITATED, IT'S EVEN WORSE THAN WE COULD ALL
EXPECT.
SO, THAT-- THAT'S-- THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
>> BUT IT'S WORKING, MICHAEL.
>> NO IT'S NOT WORKING.
IT'S A DISASTER.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, AS IT RELATES TO THE MEMO THAT YOU REFERENCED, I
MEAN, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOUR ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION IS
BUILT ON A HOUSE OF LIES.
I MEAN, LYING IS THE RULE RATHER THAN THE EXCEPTION WITH THIS
ADMINISTRATION.
AND WHEN YOU CAN'T KEEP YOURALIZE STRAIGHT, THIS IS WHAT
HAPPENS, PERIOD.
( APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: ARE YOU OKAY WITH
THE LIES?
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE LIES?
>> NO, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY-- I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S OKAY WITH
LIES.
BUT I THINK IF YOU TAKE IT INTO THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT,
POLITICIANS LIE WHEN THEIR MOUTHS ARE MOVING, OKAY.
MOREOVER, EISENHOWER LIED ABOUT U-2, KENNEDY LIED.
I CAN TAKE YOU THROUGH THE ENTIRE LIST OF THE PRESIDENTS--
MAYBE GEORGE WASHINGTON, STEVE, IS THE ONLY-- STEPHEN, IS THE
ONLY PERSON WHO DIDN'T -- >> Stephen: HE CANNOT TELL A
LIE.
THE CHERRY TREE.
>> THE THING IS -- >> Stephen: WAIT A SECOND, IF
YOU LIE, YES, POLITICIANS LIE.
EVERYBODY KNOWS POLITICIANS LIE AT VARIOUS TIMES IN THEIR
CAREERS.
BUT IF YOU LIE, THERE'S A CONSEQUENCE FOR HAVING BEEN
CAUGHT.
THAT IS THE FOUNDATION--
-- OF PUBLIC MORALITY AND ETHICS.
IF YOU SAY HE LIES AND THAT'S FINE, WHERE ARE WE GOING?
WHERE ARE WE GOING?
>> I'M NOT JUSTIFYING THE LIES, I'M JUT TRYING TO PUT IT IN
HISTORICAL CONTEXT.
BUT I'M ALSO SAYING THAT MOST PEOPLE, OKAY, HAVE TOLD A LIE.
>> Stephen: BUT NOT ABOUT COLLUDING WITH THE RUSSIAN
GOVERNMENT TO UNDERMINE OUR DEMOCRACY!
THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE!
THERE'S A-- >> HE DIDN'T DO THAT.
>> Stephen: YES, THEY COLLUDED, A FAILED COLLUSION--
>> THEY DIDN'T COLLUDE.
>> Stephen: YOU'RE A LAWYER.
YOU KNOW A FAILED COLLUSION IS STILL COLLUSION.
IF YOU'VE GOT GOODS YOU WANT TO FENCE, AND YOU SAY, "I'LL MEET
YOU AT MIDNIGHT" AND I DON'T SHOW UP, YOU STILL TRIED TO
FENCE YOUR GOODS.
>> I DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENT HAD ANY AWARENESS OF THAT
MEETING WHEN IT TOOK PLACE, NUMBER ONE.
>> Stephen: BUT AFTERWARDS HE KNEW SO JUST HIS SON DID.
>> LET ME FINISH.
>> THIS IS YOUR JURY, BY THE WAY.
>> Stephen: ANOTHER BUT, GO AHEAD, LET'S IMAGINE--
>> THANK GOD I DO HAVE SOME FAMILY MEMBERS OUT THERE.
>> Stephen: LET'S IMAGINE THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T KNOW BUT HIS
SON DID.
>> OKAY, SO I DON'T-- NO, BUT I THINK IT WAS ABOUT THE CHILD
ADOPTION SITUATION-- LET ME FINISH.
LET ME FINISH.
>> Stephen: YOU KNOW-- YOU KNOW THE ADOPTION SITUATION IS
ABOUT.
THE ADOPTION SITUATION IS AN ATTEMPT TO LIFT THE MINITSKY
ACT, WHICH IS SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIAN OLIGARCH VERY
SPECIFICALLY.
IT'S ABOUT FRIENDS OF-- >> I KNOW BILL BROADER
PERSONALLY.
>> Stephen: YOU KNOW HE THINKS THAT EXPLANATION IS (BLEEP),
RIGHT?
>> YOU GUYS WON'T LET ME FINISH BUT I'M GOING TO KEEP TALKING
ANYWAY.
THE PRESIDENT DID NOT COLLUDE WITH THE RUSSIANS AS IT RELATED
TO THE ELECTION.
DID THE RUSSIANS INTERFERE WITH THE ELECTION?
THERE'S EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THE RUSSIANS INTERFERED WITH THE
ELECTION.
BUT A DEMOCRATIC POLLSTER-- NOT ME-- BUT A DEMOCRATIC POLLSTER
MARK PENN HAS SAID-- >> OH, COME ON!
NO, MA-- >> Stephen: GO AHEAD, GO
AHEAD, GO AHEAD.
LET THE MAN FINISH.
>> LET'S SWITCH SEATS AGAIN SO I CAN GET YOU GUYS FROM BOTH
SIDES.
>> Stephen: LET'S SWITCH SEATS.
I DON'T KNOW-- BY THE WAY, I ABSOLUTELY-- GIVE HIM THE WINE.
THERE GU.
AND LOOK-- >> YOU TAKE YOUR WINE.
>> Stephen: I WOULD JUST LIKE THE BOTTLE AND A STRAW, PLEASE.
LOOK, LOOK.
>> OKAY, GO AHEAD.
>> Stephen: I WANT TO WARN OUR AFFILIATES WE MIGHT BE GOING
LONG.
I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO JAMES CORDEN FOR BUMPING HIS HOUR.
>> YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY THIS IN DEFENSE-- IN DEFENSE THE THE
MOOCH, IF THE MOOSM WAS STILL AT THE WHITE HOUSE, THE
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PRESS WOULD BE FAR BETTER THAN THAN IT
IS.
BECAUSE THE ASSAULT THAT HAS OCCURRED ON THE EXPRETS FIRST
AMENDMENT OF THIS COUNTRY OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS IS SHOCKING
AND DISTURBING, PERIOD.
( APPLAUSE ).
>> Stephen: YEAH.
>> I'M NOT-- I'M NOT HERE-- I'M NOT HERE AS THE-- I'M NOT HERE
AS A DEFENDER OF THE PRESIDENT.
I DON'T WORK FOR THE PRESIDENT ANYMORE.
AND I HAVE SAID THIS PUBLICLY AND I WILL SAY IT HERE-- WE HAVE
TO HOLD SACRED THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
AND ONE OF THE ONLY THINGS I DID--
( APPLAUSE ) ONE OF THE ONLY THINGS DIIS I,
THAT FIRST DAY, I TURNED THE LIGHTS AND THE CAMERAS BACK ON
IN THE PRESS ROOM BECAUSE I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THE FREE
PRESS OF THE UNITED STATES HAS TO HOLD PEOPLE IN POWER
ACCOUNTABLE, OKAY.
AND NOW WE MAY NOT LIKE THE FREE PRESS--
( APPLAUSE ) WE MAY NOT LIKE THE FREE PRESS.
>> Stephen: I AGREE.
>> BUT WE HAVE TO-- AND WE CAN HAVE AN ADVERSARIAL RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE FREE PRESS, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE A WAR.
AND IF THE PRESIDENT WATCHES YOUR SHOW-- AND I DON'T KNOW IF
HE DOES OR DOESN'T -- >> Stephen: EVERY NIGHT.
>> I WOULD SAY GO OUT THERE AND GO ON ALL THE NETWORKS -- IT WAS
GREAT TO SEE OW GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS' SHOW" GET OUT
THERE AND OUT OF THE STYLE BOX YOU'RE IN RIGHT NOW AND LET'S
ENDS THE WAR DECLARATION ON THE MEDIA.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE ONE COUNTRY, AND THE COUNTRY NEEDS
THE INFORMATION AND WE HAVE TO GET THIS THING RIGHT FOR
EVERYBODY.
>> Stephen: GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI MICHAEL AVENATTI.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.