>> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY!
LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT TO DO MORE WITH CHRIS HAYES.
CHRIS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
THANK YOU.
LET'S TALK CORONAVIRUS FOR JUST A MINUTE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LOUVRE LAUGH
I PURELLED HIS HAND PERSONALLY BEFORE HE CAME OUT.
>> WE DID IT BACKSTAGE.
SO WE COULD DO THE BIT.
>> Stephen: BEFORE HE CAME OUT HERE--
>> THANK YOU.
>> Stephen: NOW-- >> UOWAIG THE 20-SECOND RULE?
HAVE YOU HEARD OF THAT.
>> Stephen: WHAT'S THE 20-SECOND RULE?
>> IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU HAVE THE PURELL, BUT WHEN YOU'RE
WAWFNING YOUR HANDS, THE C.D.C.
SAYS 20 SECONDS WASHING.
THAT'S TWO "HAPPY BIRTHDAYS."
JUST A TIP.
>> Stephen: DO YOU HAVE TO SING "HAPPY BIRTHDAY" OR WILL
THEY SUE YOU?
>> YOU HAVE TO HUM IT TO YOURSELF OR YOU GET A CEASE AND
DESIST IN THE BATHROOM.
>> Stephen: THAT'S A KEEP HIGH.
NOW, SPEAKING OF CORONAVIRUS, THAT WILL AFFECT THE ELECTION?
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO TO PLACE WHERE
YOU'RE TOUCHING THAT LEVER THAT THE LAST GUY JUST TOUCHED AND
YOU'RE IN A LITTLE AREA.
YOU'RE CRAMMED INTO A GYM FOR SEVERAL HOURS.
>> YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A STRONG POSSIBILITY AS WE SEE
MORE AND MORE CASES, WHICH IS INEVITABLE, AS WE SEE BIGGER
CLUSTERS OF WHAT'S CALLED COMMUNITY TRANSMISSION, WHICH IS
PERSON-TO-PERSON, NOT FROM A TRAVELER, LOTS OF STATES AND
LOCALITIES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO START TAKING VERY AGGRESSIVE
MITIGATION EFFORTS-- CLOSING SCHOOLS, CANC LINS CONCERTS AND
CONFERENCES.
YOU MAY RUN INTO A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A TEDGES BETWEEN
MITIGATING TRANSMISSION OF THE VIRUS AND RUNNING ELECTION DAY.
AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY HARD QUESTION FOR POLICY
MAKERS.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE A LITTLE UNPREPARED FOR THE LEVEL OF
DISRUPTION THAT WE ARE LIKELY HEADLINING INTO.
>> Stephen: WOAN OF THE THINGS THAT IS A HALLMARK OF CERTAINLY
REPUBLICAN POL SICKS IS THE IDEA THAT GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM
TWILL ALWAYS MAKE IT WORSE.
IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, YOU NEED A CENTRAL GOVERNMENT TO
COORDINATE ALL THE BEHAVIOR BECAUSE DISEASES DON'T CARE
ABOUT STATES' RIGHTS.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE RESPONSE SO FAR?
AND DO YOU THINK WE'RE GETTING THE STRAIGHT DOPE FROM THIS
GOVERNMENT?
>> I'VE REALLY BEEN STRUGGLING ON MY SHOW TO BE CAREFUL AND
CLEAR OUT HERE.
BUT HERE'S WHAT I'LL SAY.
I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING TO EXPERTS FOR THE LAST FEW DAYS.
THE RESPONSE THUS FAR HAS BEEN A FAILURE AND HAS BEEN TERRIBLE
WILL.
>> Stephen: HOW SO?
WHERE ARE THE FAILURES?
>> WE ARE NOT TESTING AT WHAT WE HAVE TO BE TESTING AT.
RIGHT NOW IF YOU GO TO THE C.D.C. PAGE THAT THEY UPDATE
EVERY DAY, THAT CLOSES OUT AT 4:00 P.M., THEY TELL YOU THERE
ARE 80 CASES IN WANT U.S.
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERT IN THIS COUNTRY
WHO THINKS THAT'S A REAL NUMBER.
NO ONE THINKS THAT'S A REAL NUMBER.
IT'S NOT THE REAL NUMBER.
WE HAVE GENETIC EVIDENCE THAT THE DISEASE HAS BEEN IN THE
STATE OF WASHINGTON FIVE OR SIX WEEKS BEFORE THE FIRST CASE WAS
CAUGHT.
WE HAVE COMPUTATIONAL MODELING SUGGESTING THERE MIGHT BE 500,
600 CASES.
WE KNOW THE MORE YOU TEST, THE MORE YOU FIND.
SOUTH KOREA IS RUNNING 10,000 TESTS A DAY.
WE HAVE RUN HUNDREDS OF TESTS SO FAR.
WE RIGHT NOW HAVE A RECORDED FATALITY RATE OF 1% WHICH
EVERYONE KNOWS IS NOT THE CASE.
THERE HAS BEEN A COMPLETE FAILURE TO REPORT AT SCALE THAT
IS IS NECESSARY TO GET YOUR ARMS AROUND THE SCOPE OF THE
EPIDEMIC.
>> Stephen: WHERE IS THE INFORMATION--
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INFORMATION?
BECAUSE IT'S-- IT'S-- I-- I-- BELIEVE IT IS BETTER TO KNOW
THAN TO NOT TO KNOW, THAT KNOWLEDGE IS NOT THE ENEMY EVEN
THOUGH I THINK THIS PARTICULAR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT YOU TO
KNOW THINGS SO THEY CAN CONTROL THE NARRATIVE.
IS IT THE WHO?
IS THAT WHERE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING?
>> THE BEST DATA WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS JOHNS HOPKINS ESSENTIALLY
RUNS A WEBSITE WHERE THEY'RE REPORTING CASES.
YOU CAN GO TO THEIR WEBSITE AND SEE IT ON A MAP.
AGAIN, THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE NOT TESTING ENOUGH TO KNOW THE
ACTUAL SCOPE.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU, FROM THE BEGINNING, FROM THE TOP, THE
MESSAGE FROM LEADERSHIP, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
IS CASES ARE GOING TO GO TO ZERO.
IT MIGHT DISAPPEAR LIKE A MIRACLE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT BAD.
THESE ARE DIRECT-- THE FIRST TWO ARE DIRECT QUOTES.
>> Stephen: SURE.
>> AND MAYBE THERE WILL BE A VACCINE IN TWO MONTHS.
HE WAS LITERALLY IN THE WHITE HOUSE --
>> Stephen: THEY HAD AT A GUY-- AZAR-- SAID IN THREE DAYS
THEY CAME UP WAY VACCINE.
>> AND FAUCI HAS TO COME OUT AND SAY, "HELLO!
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYTHING FOR 18 MONTHS."
>> Stephen: NOTHING ON THE "N" I.H., OR ANTHONY FAUCI, THIS IS
MESSAGING BY -- >> THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP HAS
SENT THE MESSAGE TO THE BUREAUCRACY AND TO THE PUBLIC:
THEY WANT THIS TO GO AWAY.
THEY DON'T WANT IT TO BE A BIG PROBLEM.
THEY DON'T WANT THE MARKETS TO TANK.
AND THEY DON'T AT THE PRESENT TIME TO HURT ECONOMY.
THE FASKT MATTER IS WE HAVE LEARNED FROM THE TAIL OF THE
PANDEMIC FROM CHINA TO IRAN, KOREA, JAPAN, AND ITALY, THE
WORST THING YOU CAN DO AT THE FRONT END OF THIS IS TAMP DOWN
AND DENY THE SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
>> Stephen: WELL, ON THAT CHEERFUL NOTE, CHRIS, THANKS SO
MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANKS.
APPRECIATE IT GLI KNOW YOU MUST BE A LITTLE TIRED.
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